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08-16-2017 09:08 PM  3 months agoPost 21
Eury

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So your setup as a hard 3D type is just as smooth and precise as a guy who sets his up for F3C? The very nature of a -13 - 0 - 13 pitch curve gives you such an infinitesimal range for hover that what you are saying is impossible.

No one was insulting you. I'm sure you're a great heli flyer. It doesn't mean everyone is.

Nick Crego

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08-17-2017 01:52 AM  3 months agoPost 22
Carey Shurley

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historically its been common for "contest" setups to involve multiple flight modes, each could have different pitch curves, dual rates, expo, trim settings, head RPM, I seem to even remember somebody had setup a movable horizontal fin the position of which could be altered by flight mode.

Futaba radios have been famous for allowing all sorts of variable setups including and/or logic for switch or stick positions. I think some other radios have added features like that now.

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08-17-2017 04:40 AM  3 months agoPost 23
Gearhead

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hey Carey,, I once had a guy at the field tell me my TX was setup wrong,, I told him quote> "how can it be setup wrong if I want it setup this way",, go figure, he didn't reply,

you see, I had 2 helis, one setup to hover around in my back yard at 50% throttle,
smoothness means 99% more to me than any 3D move I cold ever learn

Jim
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08-23-2017 07:57 PM  89 days agoPost 24
jharkin

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Raja's point was not even on the setup.

It was about focusing on the extreme stuff before you master the basics. I have seen the same thing in airplane contests: You go to a freestyle meet and you will see guys torque rolling and harrier rolling a 40% Extra 300 right down on the deck, but then they can't do a simple side slip crosswind landing in a Cub.

Because they never practice the basics. Just the 3D.

-Jeremy
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08-27-2017 05:50 PM  85 days agoPost 25
classic

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While I agree there are some 3d pilots who cant hover well to save their life, most 99% of the top 3-d pilots can fly a lot better and smoother then you think.

I realize this may be a hard pill to swallow, but most can do what you can do, but you cant do what they can do!

I personally love smooth flying myself, never been much of a 3-d pilot, but I have been around the hobby longer then most and in the past have flown RC on a professional level for a living, and still have respect for most top 3-d pilots.

When the company I worked for had to hire extra pilots occasionally, we didn't hire guys who could "hover well" we wanted guys who could control an aircraft in any orientation and be prepared for whatever the system threw at them.

Now in all fairness, Raja is a pilot we could have hired, he has very good orientation and skill. If he wanted to do hard core 3-d I don't think the curve would be very long him to pick up if he choose to learn that kind of skill..

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-29-2017 12:33 AM  83 days agoPost 26
oldfart

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It is all in the set-up relative to the pilot skills. F3C pilots (e.g. Curtis Youngblood, Scott Gray, Nick Maxwell, Ito-san and most others) can easily do what Raja was talking about with their heli set-up for F3C flying.

Many of these same pilots, are also top Extreme 3D pilots, capable of amazing 3D flights, but they would not necessarily do it with their F3C set-up helis. They will usually use other helis of theirs that are set-up to do so.

Some of these fellows are also so good, that I have seen them hold their 3D machines in very precise hovers and also doing tricks like picking up small (3" diameter) rings at funflies with these same 3D machines.

Unfortunately, these guys never seem to come into public forms like this and "toot their own horns" with videos of their accomplishments. I guess they are too modest.

Phil

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08-29-2017 01:46 AM  83 days agoPost 27
rbort

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Jeremy got the point

We're not talking about tooting horns here or pro pilots. In general we are talking that there are many 3D pilots out there, many who can 3D better and/or harder than I can, but they cannot hover to pickup sticks or land in a circle or autorotate and stay in the air the longest. Its not about setup, no-one had setup their machine for this or that, its your machine how you have it setup every day and you as a pilot. Some people can be more precise than others, and some people can be more radical than others. The radical people cannot necessary beat the precise people in a precision maneuver. We're not talking about retired pilot Curtis or Nick Maxwell here, we're talking about pilots in general that you see at a funfly and the ones that compete in contests.

My whole statement was that there are many top dog 3D pilots that can 3D with the best of them but cannot do precision stuff like hovering contests or autos or whatnot.

Wasn't that complicated, just keep it simple guys.

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08-29-2017 05:36 AM  83 days agoPost 28
Gearhead

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lets get it down real simple

people fly the way they like to fly

and the same people don't fly the way they don't want to fly

it's their choice

Jim
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08-29-2017 02:15 PM  83 days agoPost 29
Chris Bergen

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Unfortunately, these guys never seem to come into public forms like this and "toot their own horns" with videos of their accomplishments. I guess they are too modest.
Many of them USED to come to these forums, but after getting constantly called out by "2 gallon wonders" and ending up arguing over very minor points, some simply decided it wasn't worth the trouble.

Many of them being sponsored by big name companies had to be VERY careful how their reputation was seen, in public and on public forums. Calling a &ickhead a &ickhead in public was frowned upon, but sometimes was EXACTLY what was needed....

So thank the Keyboard warriors out there for not seeing those that could offer the biggest assistance to our hobby...

IMHO opinion of course... YMMV...

I'm pretty sure Raja wasn't talking about ALL 3D pilots, and especially the very top ones, but when I was giving the Flight tests for Turbine waivers, many very accomplished "3D pilots" had some trouble getting through the flight test. Some were simply nervous about being "tested", some had trouble with holding a nose in hover head high for more than a split second...

Again, not saying all, but you could certainly tell those that had skipped mastering the basics and jumped straight to "throw the heli around the sky and scare themselves by the number of almost crashes" stage... They were fun to watch, kinda like why Nascar is fun to watch, waiting for the crash in turn 3....

Chris D. Bergen

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08-29-2017 02:40 PM  83 days agoPost 30
EEngineer

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"2 gallon wonders"

LMAO.....haven't heard that one before....

I think Nick Maxwell can do 3D "as smooth as silk"....really nice to watch....

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09-01-2017 03:20 PM  80 days ago •• Post 31 ••
jharkin

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While I agree there are some 3d pilots who cant hover well to save their life, most 99% of the top 3-d pilots can fly a lot better and smoother then you think.

I realize this may be a hard pill to swallow, but most can do what you can do, but you cant do what they can do!
Raja & Chris got my point.

I am NOT talking about Bert, Nick, Kyle, Tareq... I am not talking about QuiQue, Hanno, Chip or AJ, Jase, etc...

I am talking aout your average stick banger pilot that we all see at local clubs and regional contests. LOTS of guys start in the hobby go to 3D very quick, go from a foamy or blade micro to a hangar full of 35%ers and 700s in a year or two and get super active a few years but then burn out or just never work on the basics.

I've seen it many times over the years...these guys come and go.. come and go... come and go...

I never claimed that I was better at anything than a Pro... wont ever claim it.

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