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01-04-2017 07:01 AM  10 months agoPost 1
Tactics

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I am new to the Site what a great platform. I really enjoy Hovering in all 4 Orientations including inverted. Is the Goblin 570 a good bird to Hover with or should I be looking at other Heli's. I use the Phoenix RC Simulator 5.5 and it seems that the Goblin provides the best hover. But I would like to get some feedback from the Community.
Thanks,

Chris

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01-04-2017 10:50 AM  10 months agoPost 2
CoachE

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Chris,

You will get many opinions on size of helicopters to start with.....

1. Are you and others in a safe area for what you are doing?

2. Can you afford the CRASHES? "If you can't take a punch, don't take up boxing. If you can't afford the crashes, get a smaller helicopter."

3. K.i.s.s.

Good luck have fun and move at your own pace. We are all here to help.

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01-04-2017 11:26 AM  10 months agoPost 3
Jerry K

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I really enjoy Hovering in all 4 Orientations including inverted.
Are you saying that is what you like to do or want to do? Are you referring to a sim or real life? Coach nailed it, can you afford the crashes IF they happen?

A Goblin 570 is a top of the line heli, but for learning???

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01-04-2017 03:42 PM  10 months agoPost 4
fastrc1

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Best advice I can give you is to buy a machine 500-600 class that has tons of parts available and is not cost prohibitive to repair during the learning curve. Seek help in your area. Also a good idea is to gauge what others in your area are flying so there's no head scratching if you need help. Be careful and good luck.

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01-04-2017 05:28 PM  10 months agoPost 5
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think so. Learning on a Goblin can be very expensive, $100 plus for a canopy and $80 or so for boom. I would get a Trex 500, Blade 500 or something in that class. Look at your local hobby store and see what they sale because parts will be a very big issue for you. Keep it simple and don't go for the so called blinged out heli, aluminum has to be replaced when crash if it's bent and cost a lot more than plastic parts. Just my 2 cents. ...

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01-04-2017 06:21 PM  10 months agoPost 6
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Sorry Guys I didn't really explain my​situation

Thanks for your replys,

I am just getting back into the hobby. I flew frequently back in the the early 2000's. Used the old Skylark Simulator for 8 months learning every orientation before hovering. I was able to hover with no problem and practiced mostly forward/backward flight and all orientations upright and inverted. I started off with an Align 500 which I really enjoyed. And between the Simulator and Real flights over about 100 flights I never crashed because I wasn't attempting 3D moves just hovering. Thanks for the feedback on the cost of the Goblin. But to me it would be worth it if the Hover Capabilities were top rate. With all of these new Heli's I would like a High End Bird to attempt FAI/F3C Maneuvers with as well as 3D flight as well.

I am back on the Simulator again after 17 years and I'm ready to purchase a High End Heli. I will also buy Align 550 to add to the fleet but just wanted some input on some of the top end Heli's Hovering Ability. Not much into building Models so I have someone do that for me. Also wanted to know if the Gyro that comes with the Goblin is a good one.

Appreciate the Feedback

Chris

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01-04-2017 07:02 PM  10 months agoPost 7
Heli_Splatter

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There is really not one helicopter that does everything the best.

My experience is that many of us buy the components separate from the airframe. A lot of guys have personal preferences on the FBL system being used. Every helicopter hovers rather well today if properly setup.

I really like the Align Trex550, but that is not for really wild 3D and not for pattern.

I would absolutely not make any decisions on purchase based on how it flies in any simulator.

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01-04-2017 09:44 PM  10 months agoPost 8
fastrc1

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If you're going to enter the realm of F3C I'd suggest a 700 class machine or bigger and gear it accordingly for the rpm and flight times needed for the flight schedules which there are two of. Your machine will need to be able to stay aloft for at least 10 minutes. For competition I'm currently flying Thunder Tiger E-700's set up for just that and I'm currently in the process of building a SAB Urukay Competition for the up coming season. The Urukay is plenty machine for your buck.

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01-06-2017 04:59 PM  10 months agoPost 9
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Thanks Everyone for your replies. Very helpful! Birds with parts available is a smart move for now. Maybe a 700 for F3C.
Appreciate your responses. Have a good week all!!!

Tactics

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03-31-2017 07:45 AM  7 months agoPost 10
joshreynolds777

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some guys start small, some big. I learned on a raptor 50 with training gear. My heli buddy told me bigger was more stable, and he was right. I have a trex550 and Goblin 770 and I absolutely love them both. If you spend enough time on the sim, and dont plan on doing a lot of crashing, Id say bigger the better. Like everyone else is saying tho, get comfy with the maneuver on the sim first. In my opinion, the Goblins are fantastic, any of them, really great construction and visibility. Only down side to 700-800 size is they're just a little bulky when carrying around. Not one you can leave in your tunk really for impromptu flights, they take a little more planning... especially if they run off two lipo packs. thats my take on them anyway

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06-05-2017 04:27 PM  5 months agoPost 11
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I don't really think there is any specific heli or brand that makes learning easier than another. The only factor there that may hinder learning would be quality because a heli that's always broken is killing your stick time.

Size could be an issue depending on factors such as budget. But generally, larger helis are easier to learn on due to their higher visibility and stability but are more expensive to maintain and also more intimidating due to their size. Smaller helis tend to be far less expensive, but more sensitive to wind and can be twitchy, and hard to see for some pilots. 500-600 class helis are the compromise and offer the economy of smaller machines while still affording improved stability and performance a pilot wants from a larger machine.

A 570 is a good machine to learn on but I always tell new pilots to train the way they want to fly and train on what they want to fly on in the long run. Cost of maintenance is secondary. Nowadays, its more about your FBL settings than a particular heli design that ultimately determines flight characteristics.

Good luck and be safe on whatever you choose.

Mellisa

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06-05-2017 10:03 PM  5 months agoPost 12
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While I agree with others writing here, you also have to consider kinetic energy. A larger sized heli can do considerably more damage than a smaller bird. As a beginner, you really do not have control of the aircraft at all times. This can be very dangerous to yourself and others.

Even a 500 sized electric bird can give you a very serious wack or bruise or cut. Larger can kill. You need to fly at a safe distance which is probably twice the distance you see experienced pilots fly.

I say, start small, learn to fly, progress to larger and larger machines.

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06-06-2017 05:28 PM  5 months agoPost 13
Ladymagic

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start small, learn to fly, progress to larger and larger machines.
I would have to disagree with you one this one. A 450 or 500 can kill just as easily as a 700 if you are reckless. There are a lot of old timers here who can probably attest to learning to flying to fly on what you had since helis were expensive and there were not many sizes back then. No sims either.

While I will say freak things can happen from time to time to even the most careful pilot, the main problem of safety and frequent crashes stems from carelessness and people treating their helicopters more like cheap toys than sophisticated machines. Even seasoned pilots forget this on occasion and that's really when gets people hurt. 9 times out of 10, when someone is injured by a heli, they are usually flying recklessly close to themselves or flying way out of their skill level doing stuff they should be doing because that's what they did on the sim.

Taking sim time seriously, progressing systematically, and having a bailout plan and respect for the machine will afford greater enjoyment to training and actually save time and money not having to buy equipment and helis that you will quickly out grow. If you want to learn on a 700 class just make sure you have a plan and an experienced flyer there.

Mellisa

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06-06-2017 05:46 PM  5 months agoPost 14
joshreynolds777

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Bottom line is that 570 is awesome. Heck yah it's a good one to learn hovering on. And I hope the OP has it in the air by now

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06-10-2017 10:58 PM  5 months agoPost 15
Helicrazy4

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570 is awesome! Great for hovering ,mild3D, wild 3D you can run it on low head speed and stay very stable. with 6s setup I get right around 9 minutes with 5000mAh battery ,
love flying lower head speed on this heli,

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06-29-2017 11:49 AM  4 months agoPost 16
Heli_Splatter

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Not responding to LadyMagic could be interpreted wrong. Old school techniques don't make them right. I think that it is a waste of a great helicopter learning to hover a Goblin. I think hovering should be accomplished on a simulator or small 450 sized bird. Just because many learned on a large glow heli does not mean you should. I don't think you should exit the sim until you can fly two batteries hovering without crashing.

I guess that if you have enough money to buy your college bound daughter her own jet, I will just shut up. If you are like me, you try to do things smart and not waste money. Goblin, no way.

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You'll progress faster on something you don't mind crashing. More you push the more you'll crash.

If you're content with"hovering" then any heli will do. If you want to actually get somewhere, have as much fun as possible and not be a ball of nerves every time out then a cheap beater is the way to go IMHO.

Personally like having both. A beater to learn new maneuvers and just go bonkers with sometimes for fun, and my pride and joy I take it easy with and always fly within my limits.

The beater is also great for warming up with so I feel good and confident before putting my baby in the air.

I use a 230s for a beater and actually have more fun flying it than anything else. The fact I don't care if it lives or dies helps tremendously. Do things I wouldn't dare try with my other birds and surprisingly pull them off more often than not.

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