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12-21-2016 08:15 AM  6 months agoPost 1
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12-21-2016 03:46 PM  6 months agoPost 2
dilberteinstein

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Great video.

90% of life is "showing up"

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12-21-2016 05:16 PM  6 months agoPost 3
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That is one step above hand forging. Real ironworkers.

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12-21-2016 07:49 PM  6 months agoPost 4
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yeah... those guys also make less than 1/20th of what iron workers here in the states do...

Also, 2 fork lifts and 6 guys?... in the US it would have been three guys and done in 1/10 the time using hydraulic punch and hotter metal.

they are giving up efficiency of task over lower pay if you ask me.

good video, but it goes to show the differences on how we make stuff vs how they do on the cheap end of things.... they also run the tables on us on the other end when it comes to technological manufacturing volume.

we will never compete with labor costs.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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12-21-2016 07:53 PM  6 months agoPost 5
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They work like cavemen, and there product in the end is garbage. I have first hand experience with Chinese flanges and fittings of all sizes in the piping industry. I've never found a steel fitting from China that was worth the cheap price you pay........

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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12-21-2016 07:55 PM  6 months agoPost 6
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Thanks for sharing and it was nice to see how we did it in the early 1900's.

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12-21-2016 08:38 PM  6 months agoPost 7
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I think those guys are steel workers. I believe iron workers are the folks who erect steel.

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12-23-2016 08:47 AM  6 months agoPost 8
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see how we did it in the early 1900's.
That's what I thought..

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12-23-2016 12:51 PM  6 months agoPost 9
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Why beat up on them for the method of using a drop hammer outside. Instead you should be wary of the metals used in the billet. I could really care less about how something is made. Measure the quality of the finished product instead.

The Chinese seem to skimp on the materials used. In the end, that is what makes it fail. American quality control is necessary when producing your product in China. That goes for using child and prisoner labor too.

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12-23-2016 01:04 PM  6 months agoPost 10
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The fit and finish is piss poor. I have first hand experience

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12-23-2016 05:20 PM  6 months agoPost 11
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When I was a kid, anything with Japan stamped on it was junk.

After WWII William Deming showed the Japanese how to achieve quality and they embraced it.

His ideas are still valid today.

The Chinese can turn their quality around if they choose to. China can become like Japan with quality products.

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12-23-2016 08:24 PM  6 months agoPost 12
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I really hope China will make quality products
shipped to the USA!!

We will LOVE it when they're hit with a 40% import
duty tariff.

Trump THAT!

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12-23-2016 09:12 PM  6 months agoPost 13
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I hope your right. We just have to pray it will happen.

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12-25-2016 01:34 AM  6 months agoPost 14
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Chinese will take a few generations to be like any other industrialised nation such as Japan.

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12-25-2016 02:39 PM  6 months agoPost 15
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The Chinese have already gone from 0-100 in a few short years now they have put their minds to it.Watch this space.

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12-25-2016 08:32 PM  6 months agoPost 16
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I wouldn't bank on it.
So far the Chinese have gone from farming peasants to cheap labour to make poor quality goods but lack all that it will take to go any further.

Foreign companies still cant get goods made there without going there and running the places themselves.

The problem is quite simple, during the revolution they wiped out their entire pool of intellectual property and killed every last person that had any intellect or skill to do or make anything.

The current mainland Chinese are descendants of the dumbest of the herd after they culled out all the intelligent ones and killed them.

That's why they have no concept of intellectual property and still need ours to do just about everything that requires skill.
Its going to take generations before they recover.

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01-03-2017 04:51 PM  5 months agoPost 17
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^^^Interesting thought.

I never really considered anything like that. China has done some funky things in the past...like limiting families to one child.

Families want a son and are more likely to abort or give up a daughter for adoption.

I understand there is becoming a shortage of women in China and they are not as strict as they once were...but the law is still in effect.

It will be interesting to see what happens in China in another generation...they may just all die out.

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01-04-2017 05:38 AM  5 months agoPost 18
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I sure would not call them dumb, ignorant maybe, but not dumb, the Chinese Orientals are some of the smartest people on Earth, I would think most of the reason comes form living a simple traditional life style, and some from repression from their rich and government

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01-04-2017 02:41 PM  5 months agoPost 19
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Chinese Orientals are some of the smartest people on Earth
Were, they got rid of all the smart ones.
By the time they realised it was all too late.
Next stupid thing they did is tried to turn farming peasants into steel makers but that was a dismal failure and having reduced farming to do that they ended up with famine which killed off a whole lot more of them.

I believe they know their history and they have a glass jaw over it. all that smart powerful China ranting is the usual bluster to hide the fact they were the architects of their own destruction and know it.

Yes they are trying hard to get back on track but old habits will only die with the older generation so it will be a few yet before they shake off the past that plagues them now.

I think the Russian suffered a similar issue after their revolution and mass deaths of the skilled and intellectuals.

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01-04-2017 02:58 PM  5 months agoPost 20
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I never really considered anything like that. China has done some funky things in the past...like limiting families to one child.
They have done a lot of crazy things that have caused only hardship on them.

Its why older Chinese don't trust that the prosperity will last because in their life time bad times were always just around the corner so they take all they can get while it lasts and for that reason will steal anything not bolted down.

Younger generation have not lived in that time so don't have that mentality and also have more personal possessions they wouldn't want others to steal.

But that understanding of property ownership younger Chinese have is still limited to private property but not so much intellectual property yet which is indicative of their limited understanding of property ownership to only their possession, not their skills or know how which they still steal from one another and it is still encouraged in schools.

Copying exam answers from others is not frowned upon in schools. Its seen as resourceful.
And if that is the mentality of educators it tells us the Chinese still have a pretty small pool of intellectual property as they don't encourage it as we do here in education.

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