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12-18-2016 06:58 PM  11 months agoPost 1
Sceadu Flyer

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Horseheads, NY

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So, in an earlier message stream I mentioned that I was giving full scale heli flying a try. Several have asked what Helicopter I am flying. Well, its a Rotorway 162F. Main blades were removed for trailering it to my hangar. Here she is:

Fly it like you stole it!

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12-18-2016 07:05 PM  11 months agoPost 2
tommytt1

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Wow!

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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12-18-2016 07:18 PM  11 months agoPost 3
RappyTappy

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How cheap are the parts and whats in a crash kit? lol

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12-18-2016 07:39 PM  11 months agoPost 4
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ROTFLMAO.....

Well, I have never seen a crash kit for one.

However, the parts are not as bad as you would think. The routine mx parts are mostly spark plugs, oil, and belts. It doesn't get pricey till you break stuff. Nothing is really life limited on it.

Main rotor blades are $8000.00 (2,000 hour life)
Landing gear (complete) is $3200.00 (on condition)

You should never need any of them....

Here is a video I took while practicing autos in a friends 162:

Watch at YouTube

SF

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12-18-2016 08:38 PM  11 months agoPost 5
ErichF

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I hope you got the belt drive conversion because the chain drive/oil bath systems have a nasty habit of catching fire (not to mention make a nasty, oily messy under the hood.)

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12-18-2016 10:42 PM  11 months agoPost 6
Mikerobe

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Green Turtle​Cay,Abaco, Bahamas.

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Wow! Really neat!

I was thinkin the rate of descent would be faster. Obviously there's good translational lift with forward airspeed.
What's the engine sound at the bottom...are you applying torque before touch down?

The lot I got is not a lot, but I thank God a lot for the lot I got!

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12-19-2016 12:11 AM  11 months agoPost 7
Sceadu Flyer

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Mike,

Correct, that was an auto to a power recovery. If I had taken it all the way to the ground then it would have been a "full down" auto.

Stabilized it is decending at about 1000-1200 feet per minute and 70kts forward speed. Autos are much more controlled if you slide them on with 5-10kts fwd speed. Keeps a lot more inertia in the rotor and therefore some controllability.

SF (RWF?)

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05-10-2017 12:10 PM  6 months agoPost 8
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So, I have been digging into the heli pretty hardcore... I am trying to complete its annual inspection (yes I am an aircraft mechanic). Unfortunately I have found some problems. I was upgrading the transmission from a chain drive to a Kevlar cog belt system. While doing this I found corrosion (rust) on the main shaft and the swash plate assembly bearing. Also, the main bearings were seized on the main shaft.

New Main Shaft $$$
New Swash Plate Assembly $$$$$$$$$$
New Bearings $

So, utilizing a gantry crane and a very experienced fellow mechanics help, we were able to creatively remove the shaft with the bearings and main gear still attached!

Pictures attached for your viewing pleasure....

I have decided the RC helis are much easier to repair!

Fly it like you stole it!

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05-10-2017 01:08 PM  6 months agoPost 9
icanfly

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ontario

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might be a good time to xray everything.

you going to put a Beast x or Ikon, or what kind of 3x gyro? Time to put dfc as well, 120° swash upgrade?

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05-10-2017 11:14 PM  6 months agoPost 10
HeliOCD

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Here is a video I took while practicing autos in a friends 162:
You can now move on to inverted nose in.

Its all earth!

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05-10-2017 11:57 PM  6 months agoPost 11
Sceadu Flyer

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That might end poorly.....

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05-11-2017 12:04 AM  6 months agoPost 12
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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and I thought this hobby was expensive

spending time, paying attention

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06-23-2017 10:34 AM  5 months agoPost 13
theriddick45

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What is the maintenance and insurance cost per yr or maybe a month? If possible! Thanks!

I'm getting my private already 19hrs so far! R22

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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06-23-2017 01:43 PM  5 months agoPost 14
Ace Dude

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Nice job! Thanks for sharing your project and pictures.

  

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06-23-2017 02:18 PM  5 months agoPost 15
Heli_Splatter

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Please keep in mind, my envy level is already pegged max limit, when you upload additional photos.

It is on my bucket list. (big bucket)

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07-04-2017 02:14 PM  4 months agoPost 16
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Horseheads, NY

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riddick, the MX costs are very dependent upon your ability and willingness to get your hands dirty! This heli is "experimental, amateur built" so, you can do all the maintenance on it yourself. You will need an A&P certified mechanic to sign off the "condition inspection", unless you were the original builder and hold a repairman certificate for it.

MANY of the parts can be bought at NAPA, Autozone, or Advance Auto.... Rotorway doesn't make bearings, belts, hoses, oil, or spark plugs. The parts that they do make are very reasonable for a full size helicopter:

Main Shaft: $1674.00
Swash Plate Assembly: $2394.00
Main Blades: $8,000.00

Yes it is expensive, but for a heli it is very reasonable compared to a production (Certified) heli. Most of the parts have no life limit and should never need changed unless you damage the heli. You can also fabricate your own parts! I just made new skids for it...

The insurance is expensive if you don't have heli experience. For me as a heli student pilot it was about $4,000.00 for a year of full coverage.

My personal project here has gotten a bit out of control....

I have replaced:

All the bearings
All the Belts
All the hoses
All the fluids
All the bolts, nuts, washers....
Main Shaft
Skids
Swash plate assembly
All rubber seals

When I am done it will essentially be a new heli. The main shaft and swash had to be replaced because of corrosion (rust). The heli sat for 10 years and the things that needed to be re-lubed annually didn't get re-lubed. So it rusted and I got to buy parts......

Pictures will follow as I progress. I hope to be hovering soon!

SF

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07-04-2017 08:15 PM  4 months agoPost 17
theriddick45

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That's awesome I am taking my rating as we speak on an Robinson 22 and I will take 5 hrs on the R44 add on so if I want to rent it I am able.

The price for the parts are not bad also the insurance is not that expensive.

Hummm who knows maybe I can get one I am handy and don't mind to get my hands dirty.

Now to get the mechanic cert that will be an add on to the pilot certificate right?

Man thanks for your time and information.

Suzi Janis 800e & 700e 3blade both w/Ikon

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07-04-2017 09:10 PM  4 months agoPost 18
CostaRicaHeli

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Very cool

Very cool. Following this project closely. Thanks for sharing.

Franz

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07-04-2017 10:35 PM  4 months agoPost 19
Heli_Splatter

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Hate to be demanding... more pictures required! Sorry to hear of the additional expenses needed. I guess bondo on main shaft was out of the question.

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07-06-2017 02:38 PM  4 months agoPost 20
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Horseheads, NY

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Making skids....
Skids Installed...
Appropriately Placarded Tailrotor!
"Nose art" on tail!? (Throwback to my beloved Kitfox IV)
Secondary Shaft ready for cog belt upgrade install...

Fly it like you stole it!

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