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captor03

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Which unit do you prefer? I'm looking for a unit which is easy to use, and doesn't need a computer to program.

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Den

12-05-2016 04:20 AM
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ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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They all need a computer to program.
I know the Beast guys will tell you how easy they are to program without a PC, but if you want to unlock the Rescue mode, you need to pay for an upgrade and USB connector and connect it to your PC.

I prefer the MSH Brain 2 with built-in Bluetooth. I can use my Android, iPhone or PC to do the setup and tuning.
And there is nothing to unlock. Updates usually bring new features and are free.

I own 4.

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12-05-2016 08:16 AM
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JuanRodriguez

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The Villages, Florida

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Align 3GX is easy to program and does not require a PC .

Though some will "poo poo" this unit, it works well for me and many others. Just a sport flyer here, no crazy 3D stuff !

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

12-05-2016 12:41 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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No bailout on the 3gx

12-05-2016 12:44 PM
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JuanRodriguez

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Ooops ! In my mind, I read "without" ! Yikes !!

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12-05-2016 01:18 PM
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Richardmid1

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I'm of no help here but which circumstances would require the use of the bailout function?

60% of the time, it works every time!

12-05-2016 02:48 PM
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DemetriusUSN

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Virginia Beach, Va USA

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Micro beastx plus has bail out but you have to upgrade it to that feature with a computer.

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12-05-2016 04:02 PM
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cudaboy_71

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sacramento, ca, u.s.

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Older vbar (grayline and older) can be programmed via bluetooth on android. MSH Brain as well.

Vbar NEO with a Vcontrol transmitter doesn't require a computer or phone at all. However, it still requires programming. You just do it from the TX rather than computer. The steps are nearly identical to the computer software.

Also, MSH brain 2 can be programmed from a jeti TX. I have never actually done this so I can't speak to how easy or difficult it is.

Also, just so we're all talking about the same functions:

Bailout: a quick spoolup mode that will bypass softstart from a very low headspeed. It is used to bail out of autos

Rescue: an "Oh CRAP!" button when you are headed for a crash and want the FBL unit to recover itself to a manageable height to regain control.

I think everyone here is assuming you mean you want a rescue function on an FBL unit since bailout is typically a function designed in to an ESC.

if it ain't broke, break it.

12-05-2016 04:08 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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I will check to make sure, but I am pretty sure not a single one of my esc's have bailout functions.
I think everyone here is assuming you mean you want a rescue function on an FBL unit since bailout is typically a function designed in to an ESC.

12-05-2016 04:33 PM
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Peter Wales

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Bavarian Demon!!

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12-05-2016 04:36 PM
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cudaboy_71

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sacramento, ca, u.s.

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I will check to make sure, but I am pretty sure not a single one of my esc's have bailout functions
To be fair I never said all ESCs have it. But, if you do have the feature it is typically on the ESC. I know castle, scorpion and hobby wing all have it.

My main point is that I'm not sure what op is really after. But I'm inclined to think it's rescue. Only he can clear that up.

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12-05-2016 04:45 PM
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ticedoff8

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I think the term the OP meant to use was "Rescue", not "Bailout".

The Bailout term is applied to the ESC / throttle spinning up quicker than normal to "bailout" of a botched autorotation.
Some ESC have it. Some don't.
The MSH Brain (1 & 2) have this function built in, so "Bailout" is not needed to be built into the ESC.

The "Rescue" in the Brain (1 & 2) is a function that tied to a switch or one of the banks.
And, when enabled, will immediately reorient the heli to "upright" and basically level regardless of the orientation of the heli before "Rescue" is enabled.
This will "Rescue" the heli and give the pilot some time to catch their breath and take control back when they are sorted.

Any FBL that claims a "Return to Home" feature (like the Skookum 720BE) needs an external GPS receiver.
I used the Skookum 720BE / GPS for a while, and I was not happy.

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12-05-2016 07:46 PM
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Mark Bishop

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I just switched to Spirit Pro. Both the Spirit and Spirit Pro have rescue (upright or to nearest horizon) and can be programmed with the optional Bluetooth module from a smartphone or twblet The Bavarian Demon Axon has the same rescue but I thinknthe Bluetooth is built in

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12-10-2016 05:41 AM
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captor03

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Thanks for the replys!

Den

12-10-2016 12:36 PM
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Andy from Sandy

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Vbar NEO with a Vcontrol transmitter doesn't require a computer or phone at all.
I would like to add a clarification that the NEO has to have the built in satellite to not ever require a PC.

If the NEO is without satellite and you use it with Mikado satellite and VBC it requires a PC to set the receiver that is going to be used. Once set then the transmitter is used all the time to program the NEO and never needs to see a PC again.

12-10-2016 02:47 PM
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cudaboy_71

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I would like to add a clarification that the NEO has to have the built in satellite to not ever require a PC.
If the NEO is without satellite and you use it with Mikado satellite and VBC it requires a PC to set the receiver that is going to be used. Once set then the transmitter is used all the time to program the NEO and never needs to see a PC again.
hrmm...that has not been my experience.

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12-10-2016 03:12 PM
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Andy from Sandy

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Are NEO without vlink shipped set to use Mikado satellite as default?

If so then I stand corrected. I might of done it just to be sure.

12-10-2016 03:17 PM
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cudaboy_71

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I've used sats on one new non-vlink neo, and 3 upgraded non-neo vbars. They were all plug and bind.

if it ain't broke, break it.

12-10-2016 03:21 PM
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helidevil

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Bail out: Auto rotations
Rescue: Dumb thumbs

+1 for Bavarian Demon systems and Captain Rescue, it works in a pinch though does require a computer. IF you have a laptop everything is layed out in front of you and programming is a breeze.

12-11-2016 07:38 PM
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RappyTappy

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North Denver, Colorado

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of no help here but which circumstances would require the use of the bailout function?
I just yesterday witnessed a friend of mine save his Triblade Goblin 570 at maybe less than 5 feet off the deck of certain doom. He lost orientation and froze up. It was dropping like a rock on kife edge from 100 feet up. By the the time he unfroze he gave a few corrections but it was still going in. I couldnt believe it, I thought it was over. Then after his attempt to save, he frantically smashed the rescue button and it pulled out and climbed just in the nick of time! Why not have it these days, its available and its cheap or even included with FBL systems.

Even it if saves just one wreck it is worth every penny and a amazing valuable tool to fly helis with these days. That 570 would've been a $500-$800 wreck easy, but now he gets to take his heli home in one piece to fly another day with a smile on his face, priceless for the hobby in the longterm!

To me, crashing sucks, crashing now sucks just as much as my first crash in the late 90s. The time, the money and the setup wasted sucks. Anything helping to try reduce crashes such as rescue, less complex airframes with less points of failure, redundency systems, ect is all good with me!

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