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10-20-2016 01:57 AM  11 months agoPost 1
icanfly

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I hate that there's regulate this and regulate that with any flying machine worthy of the label "drone", my rc heli is a toy and the bigger ones sophisticated aerial robotic powered kites with a tether of radio waves

not an eff'n drone bub.

I hate what quads carrying cams have done to rc, hate it completely, destroyed everything free about rc.

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10-20-2016 04:20 AM  11 months agoPost 2
revmix

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I hate
ucancrysUAS
I hate
upgradedno longer toy
hate it
what goes up must come down, keep calm

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10-20-2016 04:39 AM  11 months agoPost 3
icanfly

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this could be construed as anti thing in the air with cam and or eyeware or law something no one's tooting anti, have you seen the system lately? numbers by the green backs, not a freedom call,

what the hey though rc helis did more than even current things right now, must be 80's,

hey, life would be a lot more peaceful without the latest hype, mastering an rc heli is all the fun you need. Whatever else is going on in the world re drones, try on this,

* I fly rc helicopters right?
* I have idiot neighbors right?
* they have cameras right?

they've taken pictures of my rc helicopter and tell people it has CAMERAS, lol, no lie,

hahahahaha I can't get over it, how people are nuts.

rehtoric

Here's something I LOVE about helis, it AUTO ROTATES ,in wind more nicely, good wind,

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10-20-2016 11:06 AM  11 months agoPost 4
rcnut

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I get asked a lot if my helis have cameras on them, and when I say no, they ask why not? It's simple, you would puke if you saw the video of my flight! The constant flipping/spinning would make you nauseous.

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10-20-2016 01:09 PM  11 months agoPost 5
wjvail

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Personally, I don't think much would be different. The FAA has long been waiting for a watershed event that would give them an excuse to take a wider regulatory position of everything flying.

Sadly (their word), no one has been killed by a "model" being misused and there hasn't been a front page accident that would allow them to press their agenda. However, that hasn't stopped the DOT/FAA from proceeding with the original objective.

Things are proceeding according to plan. The only thing that would "help" would be a twin-towers event. Lacking front page news, they have to "settle" for fear mongering that people are using drones to spy on their wives and daughters or likely to bring an airliner down full of people going to see grandma.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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10-20-2016 01:20 PM  11 months agoPost 6
gmcullan

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So I'm flying in my yard one day with my good old Align 450 SE V1 when a cruiser pulls up my driveway. My neighbor, over 50 yards away, called and complained to the police that I was hovering outside her window with a camera. So I showed the officer the heli, and clearly there was no camera. I then demonstrated to the officer that I safely fly within my property boundries and almost never higher than my two story house. The officer then went and talked to the complainer and that was the end of the story. This happened all of five years ago. Drones/Quads were not an issue back then.

Move to today. All of my neighbors know that I fly on my property and have no issues with it. Some even come to watch and chat while I fly.

Besides my helis, I also have a Blade Chroma with a camera system. As usual, I stay on my property and don't fly much higher than my house. I live about one mile from an active, uncontrolled municipal airport. I've taken the required actions to notify the airport Manager and FBO that I fly on my property. I come no where close to departure/approach altitudes and have had no issues. However, someone has been flying a very large 6 rotor UAS clearly at altitudes that have the potential to interfere with departure/approach operations at this airport. So this past Spring, while outside doing some yardwork, a cruiser comes up the driveway. The officer pops out and asks if I have been the operator of the interfering flights. As I'm telling him no, of all things, here comes the 6-rotor drone clearly at or near pattern altitude. So the officer asks how to track it. I asked if he had access to a full size heli so he could trace the drone back to its point of origin. He said no, but then asked it I could launch MY drone and follow the errant drone. I responded "no", as that would make me just as "wrong" as the operator of the larger drone.

They either caught the person, they got wise to the rules, or they moved, as I haven't seen this drone for the past several months.

Surprisingly, I fly my Chrome primarily in southern Maine along the seacoast. I fly either early morning or late evening before sunset. The low angle of light makes for some dramatic video. There are also few if any people around when I fly. If someone does come to talk, I do my best to be an ambassador of the hobby. I explain the FAA registration process, the operational guidelines, and my personal commitment of not interfering with people/animals/property on the ground.

The issue is not one of just drones (multirotors). The R/C aircraft industry has significantly changed, with the majority of sales being complete ready to fly airplanes. Some of these aircraft, and more and more so, are coming with GPS technology that even includes autoland capabilities. These items are being purchased by inexperienced people and being flown in inappropriate locations. Helicopters too, for that matter.

So while many like to point the finger at the "evil drones", the issues revolve around almost any current UAS systems.

The only way to "fix" this is to somehow educate the end users of these systems.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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10-20-2016 01:43 PM  11 months agoPost 7
icanfly

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yeah well, if those dang cameras didn't exist, lol.

Sale of all rc now becoming equipped with military level uas systems, so Washington has to "edumecate" the masses with paper work and threats of repercussions, was this the rc we got into when we bought a heli?
So I'm flying in my yard one day with my good old Align 450 SE V1 when a cruiser pulls up my driveway. My neighbor, over 50 yards away, called and complained to the police that I was hovering outside her window with a camera. So I showed the officer the heli, and clearly there was no camera. I then demonstrated to the officer that I safely fly within my property boundries and almost never higher than my two story house. The officer then went and talked to the complainer and that was the end of the story. This happened all of five years ago. Drones/Quads were not an issue back then.
ironic as my Predator drone canopy on my se which at one point had a mock cam pod under it's nose for a short time just for laughs. All my helis except my 380 have been fashioned as a military drone would be, don't know why this was. I can only say chasing the military contracts for $100k per unit sales might be a compelling factor, either that or I just like the irony of how dum people can be, that authorities are perceived somehow as "heros" to the sick, uneducated, inexperienced, lame, incapable, tiny little children and non rc able, feeble minded, hapless, thupid, more need not be said.

Solution is simple BAN CAMERAS on aerial rc craft PERIOD. Then they won't be as much of a nuisance when the cops and media tell numskulls no rc craft can have a camera without a license and for legitimate practical use only, is protected and insured , safe and registered to use such a system legally and conscientiously with everyone's safety in mind. It's the camera on a "drone" people fear most not one iota of anything else, guaranteed.

Ban the cam, ban the cam, ban the cam, ban the cam, the chant on Washington hill will go, pesky wabbit. Every time it's the damn cam.

They have to get smart, ban any military intended gps, cam. , way point, find home on ALL uas without proper vetting, otherwise it's not prudent to allow the tech into the hands of any body, those are the systems of a military "DRONE" not an rc helicopter or foamy plank.

Get wise FAA guys, your going after cam and gps capable uas, NOT RC TOYS " but you've lumped all rc together for the sake of getting something limiting law wise out, BAN THE SALES OF CAMERAS AND GPS ON ALL RC without some form of registration and accountability to the general public, this I see would be a crucial factor in dissuading commoners from errant multi rotor use.

neighbor has seven security cameras all of which are pointed towards where I live, cops do nothing, therefore my former argument goes out, there's always a cam following us where ever we go, fact of life these days right?

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10-20-2016 01:55 PM  11 months agoPost 8
jason46

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Maybe we would still have Thunder Tiger and Miniature around.

We made up some rules can we have your moneys now.

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10-20-2016 02:09 PM  11 months agoPost 9
icanfly

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it's no longer "Pie in the sky", the hope of something unlikely, it's "eye in the sky" the hope of something unlikely to ever go away now. Eye spy with my little drone Icanfly,,,,,,,,, rotflmfaof.

The cam was the only reason I got into rc helis, What it's become now? unreal opportunity, the rc heli not the aerial cam aspect. A kite can be used for apv, rc helis are a lot more sophisticated, rc with gps and a camera frightening.

(I say as I glance over to my 380/420 speed canopy/boom plugs in drone all-white color from time to time as I write this).

Simple, GPS? CAMERA? = DRONE. No cam, no gps = toy.

but the shyt sell sell sells.

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10-20-2016 02:19 PM  11 months agoPost 10
gmcullan

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The issue is not one of cameras and GPS, but that of improper use of the aircraft. And for every idiot that misuses their UAS, there are hundreds if not thousands of us that operate in a legal and appropriate manner. Unfortunately, it is the idiots that get all the media attention.

One way to help, and several clubs have done this with great benefit, is to have a "media day" inviting print, radio, and TV personalities as available and appropriate.

I do my best to be an ambassador for this hobby. That concept should apply to all of us that fly in a reasonable and appropriate manner.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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10-20-2016 03:39 PM  11 months agoPost 11
icanfly

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what was Hilary saying about guns last night, in the hands of children have killed 30.000 people in the USA in one year, have toys will play right?

So long as our toys don't negatively impact someone else's life everything is ok right. Wild, I stayed up very late last night watching a western movie about gun running to native Indians and Mexicans set perhaps 200 years ago, maybe less. Someone is making a business of these things and cares not one iota who owns or how they are used, that's "freedom" for ya. It's a beautiful thing freedom is.

You do realize the access to info and gps co-ordinates are easy and available while simple enough to enter into a guided uas loaded with no good payload right? I don't want to be suggesting methods of lethal use, and with things that are legal regarding the Geneva convention, that no one should suffer a tortuous death so it should be quick and decisive, there are ways.

Aerial photography was inhibitivly 'spensive for the average house wife not so long ago. Now, even a infant can go out and obtain an aerial avp package with financial help from ma or pa or uncle, ohh sawly officer, my 2 year old was learning how to fly their toy drone thingy while it was hoovering near some neighbors bedroom window capturing soft porn avp of their soft nubile daughter undressing and getting ready for a shower, curiosity ya know, drone flys pretty good don't ya say, officer. Nothing in the FAA says an infant can't fly one, just can't buy one, hehe. Was not so even a few years ago. It's the POTENTIAL, that's what's hurting everything, the potential.

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10-20-2016 04:17 PM  11 months agoPost 12
CostaRicaHeli

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Don't attack me, but I do think that Quads have been an important source of innovation that have and will move our helis forward. The fact that they can be flown by anyone with no-setup, RTF, almost crash-proof, FPV, etc., etc., has enabled the hobby to reach millions more, which will give our helis the advantage of participating in the innovation that has come and that will come with it.

I agree with the regulatory aspect of it, but that probably was coming sooner rather than later.

Franz

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10-20-2016 04:41 PM  11 months agoPost 13
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important source of innovation that have and will move our helis forward
I don't think heli sales reflect that, unfortunately.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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10-20-2016 06:15 PM  11 months agoPost 14
icanfly

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when they take away the cams and gps from "drones" what else can you do with a quad but go around in circles, get bored and become curious about rc helis that flip flop and fly and or look cool as a scale heli rather than a four corner prop quatropus or umbrella or lamp. All they do is carry cam equipment of one kind or another and stay in the air longer, it SELLS that way.

The regulators are thinking the cam/gps/aerial platform is potentially going to be abused regularly by people who know what they are doing.

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10-21-2016 10:27 AM  11 months agoPost 15
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I don't care about drones nor do I care about putting cameras on my heli. All I want is a 3D monster and some peaceful time and a beautiful field to fly.

If its fixed don't break it.

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10-21-2016 03:05 PM  11 months agoPost 16
icanfly

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I don't care about drones nor do I care about putting cameras on my heli. All I want is a 3D monster and some peaceful time and a beautiful field to fly.
without having to bend over for some faa rules and regs implemented for apv systems sake and nothing else. RC however is becoming predictable and more commonplace with every passing day, rc in any form like foamies, quads, pro apv gear, spy like "drones",

This is interesting because I can recall eleven years ago when I first became re-introduced to rc with an Airhog Havoc heli in 2005, messed with it until it flew no more a few months later, stayed away till 2009 and dabbled a little bit. Stayed away for another couple years until 2011 getting into it again with an esky coax. 2006 to 2012 was a high sales period for mall copters. 2010 world wide development on the multi/quad avp began with more force and pushed it to what it's become today, I cared less for multis as I was having a great time learning to master difficult cp heli flight for the first time fall of 2012. First cp heli flight may have lasted 5 seconds, four years later and a lot has changed some ways good, some ways uncomfortable and or inconvenient.

Now every company is touting a pov cam on anything that flies, disturbing considering public perception of "spy" gear, they just added another tool to the ways to gather information without detection, "has it got a camera"?, people are nuts.

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10-21-2016 04:08 PM  11 months agoPost 17
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Where would the rc heli be if "drones' did not exist?
The same place they are now with the exception that they wouldn't
have a FAA number on them

It has turned out to be a non event from my perspective
nothing has changed for us line of sight flyers

We just have one more stupid question to answer
when a non modeler asks us about them (does it have a camera)

society has rules to live by

If a person doesn't like the rules do something to change the rules

or go live on the Bundys ranch an let me know how well that works out

I don't know why people on here cant let it go

how much pain has this caused anybody for having to "bend over"
with these FAA rules

I need some examples

because other wise this whole thread is just some more B.S.
pot stirring rehashing of NOTHING

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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10-21-2016 06:36 PM  11 months agoPost 18
MartyH

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important source of innovation that have and will move our helis forward
I don't think heli sales reflect that, unfortunately.
I agree. I don't see a correlation between developing drone technology and advancing traditional pod and boom helis.

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10-21-2016 07:00 PM  11 months agoPost 19
CostaRicaHeli

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Bailout and self-leveling features for one. Now every company making controllers is including self-leveling and bail-out features, thanks to quads doing it (not necessarily first, but massively). Many friends of mine are now willing to try helis, because of this. Otherwise, they never would have tried them because they know it is difficult with a high probability of crashing quickly (as we all probably have done).

Obviously, for those of you with a very high level of skill, these features seem trivial, or even negative to the hobby, because people no longer have to learn what we all had to learn and may take it less seriously than we do. But that is life and evolution as things get easier. Now our cars have the capability of driving themselves. This all came from the ability to sell millions and millions of cars, that were all not necessarily Formula 1 or Champ cars.

In the last 6-7 years, our hobby (helis) has acquired 1) FBL systems, 2) massive electric growth and evolution (now only large helis are nitro), 3) battery back-up systems, 4) telemetry, 5) yes, better video capabilities and FPV, 6) self-leveling and bail-out capabilities and others which I'm sure I don't even now about or use myself. So unless you don't use any of these (and I agree that they cannot all be attributed to quads but can be to the increased volume of the general RC hobby), I would say that you HAVE benefited.

Franz

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10-21-2016 07:16 PM  11 months agoPost 20
icanfly

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what has changed is accessibility and public knowledge.

Aerial cams have been around for decades and only when cams became hugely miniaturized did their ability to equip cheep light rc possible even an Airhog could fly with one on it.

Not like the world cares about drones every day of the week just that as soon as they see something in the air rc they immediately assume it should have a camera, this is a real problem.

"Bundy ranch", good one. I think if you should understand any apprehension towards any regulations it's based on a differentiation between what could be used illicitly and what is being used as a toy for entertainment purposes only, it's an insult to the hobby to be lumped in with multis sold with cams. The FAA knows how cam/gps laden multis can be used, my rc helis are categorically NOT DRONES.

Ahh I was dreaming of simpler times, lol, life was miserably complex some years ago, rc helis took my mind off it all, it was awe inspiring when everything went well and has now morphed into something beyond my wildest dreams.

It's just good practice to attach ones name to an rc thing. A recent recovery of a DJI Phantom Pro has lead to a dead end regarding locating the former owner. It's worth something if it's still within the warantee period, practically useless otherwise.
Bailout and self-leveling features for one. Now every company making controllers is including self-leveling and bail-out features, thanks to quads doing it (not necessarily first, but massively). Many friends of mine are now willing to try helis, because of this. Otherwise, they never would have tried them because they know it is difficult with a high probability of crashing quickly (as we all probably have done).
agree completely, general public awareness of those features has increased the attraction to more difficult to master rc helis, who wouldn't want to rip the sky like Bert, Nick, Kyles, Tareq, etc,etc, without ringing up a huge bill in repairs for one or two dumb thumbs. Got to admit the multi format has pushed some features further than without them.

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