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08-31-2016 06:17 PM 20 months ago | Post 21 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | One more.. before ya all take off for Dalton.Right now.. ONE (1) can enter the nats and win.. (or its not clear what if any minimum is called out in 518...)I would like to get others feelings on having a NATS (Nats only) 5 class contestants minimum. If 5 are not preregistered by said date, the contest is canceled. If 5 are preregistered and 2 (or whatever)drop out due to car trouble, wife trouble or just trouble.. the contest GOES ON!OK... on to Dalton.GrimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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08-31-2016 07:04 PM 20 months ago | Post 22 |
Peter Wales rrElite Veteran Orlando Fl | The things you are suggesting are called rule changes. If you want to change the rules, submit a rule change proposal and in about 3 years you will find out whether your suggestions are good or not, when the rules are changed or not.Darrell cannot change the rules arbitrarily, no matter how many want them changed. And yes, it does take 3 years to get the rules changed.And while you are at it, you seem very interested in the running of the event, why don't you offer to relieve Darrell of that responsibility. He is probably ready for a break and may even enter again himself.Peter Wales | ||
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08-31-2016 07:05 PM 20 months ago | Post 23 |
Notar rrKey Veteran Taxachussetts | If that is in effect, and it happens a couple of years in a row, you can kiss the heli nats goodbye, as no one will enter, or want to dedicate the time to be the CD. Also, some entries happen a couple of days before the event, so i dont see how this will work, or why it should even be in place. | ||
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08-31-2016 07:42 PM 20 months ago | Post 24 |
Copter Doctor rrProfessor Enterprise/ft.rucker ,al- home of army aviation | Ive taken part in the scale nats a few times since 07 and every year at ircha that I attended since 2002. there are a few things I would like to see happen for the nats, they have nothing to do with the rules. Up until a few years ago, you got some nice incentives with your registration, a bag of goodies and a T-Shirt. Those who attend ircha know what I mean. Yeah it may be a small thing to some, but its a small thing to look forward to. my biggest gripe has been the little or no coverage of the event in the AMA magazine. I saw nothing of it in 2014, and last year when I took 1st place, a very subtle pic of myself and machine appeared. Now I don't so much care about a pic of me, but I wasn't the only one flying at the nats. there were several others who put the time, money and effort to get there like I did and their names weren't even mentioned in the text. After seeing so many fotos taken by ama staff there, not one made it to the magazine and I found that very disappointing! Coverage plays a big part in exposure which leads to interest and attendance. look at Dalton, the difference in attendance since my 1st time in 2002 and now is amazing, it grows every year and now there's talk about a bigger place to hold the event, and it has several times gotten excellent coverage in several magazines.
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08-31-2016 09:11 PM 20 months ago | Post 25 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | Peter,Please READ POST 7...I am EXPLORING the idea of a proposal.. NO MORE, NO LESS.Yes.. I KNOW ONE HAS TO SUBMIT CHANGES...I WILL NOT DRAFT a proposal WITHOUT some research on the subject..Moving along..GrimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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08-31-2016 09:24 PM 20 months ago | Post 26 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | East CoastSounds like the idea of 5 just MIGHT play well in to your (a few enter just days before the event).. They would know what's going on.. they have AT LEAST 5 to fly with.On that note.. What is disheartening is spending a bunch of money (I know.. I know...relative to ones pockets).. and not REALLY knowing who is making the show.. this year it was two.. two years ago it was two..(in 518)..And you think if we make changes its going to get WORCE! and RUIN IT....Make (Suggest) no changes and expect a BETTER RESULT?So far this has been good.. lets let Darrell see what he drums up and maybe, just maybe we will have a better understanding of what "might" be going on or what "changes" might help bump up the numbers..GrimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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08-31-2016 09:31 PM 20 months ago | Post 27 |
![]() rrApprentice Broussard,La. | Posted on RR BY Copter Doctor 8/4/16
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08-31-2016 09:44 PM 20 months ago | Post 28 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | Eric,On thing is for sure.. the 518 scoring system is VERY confusing.. I know its just numbers but goodness..I just ran a scale airplane contest last weekend.. the scoring was easy. We had no conflicts and all went well. They don't do all that normalizing. I understand it.. just don't feel its all that necessary for our heli events.And.. truth is me and math don't get along all that well anyway...lolSimple seems better to me..On we go.GimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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08-31-2016 09:51 PM 20 months ago | Post 29 |
darrelluh1b rrApprentice Dalton Ga | Who said these post were official? I have no control of wrong info being posted. Just a thought.
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09-01-2016 12:46 AM 20 months ago | Post 30 |
![]() rrKey Veteran Indianapolis, IN USA | As a new guy that would like to be able to get my work life in such a place that allows me the time to actually enter the NATS, I dont think I have a problem with someone wanting to enter the same winning helicopter year after year. If I were lucky enough to win (in my perfect dream world), I personally would not enter the same winning machine the following year. I would personally want to challenge myself to build a different and hopefully better machine to compete within later competitions. But I am a slow ass builder so it would take me at least two years, if not longer to build a new machine anyway.Steve | ||
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09-01-2016 01:40 AM 20 months ago | Post 31 |
![]() rrElite Veteran Palos Verdes, Ca. USA | Just my .02... I get tired of the airplane crew always getting the lions share of attention in the magazines. Scale heli guys get a postage stamp sized pic and an honorable mention, if you're lucky. This crap goes way back and probably will never change. The magazines cater to the biggest portion of the hobby. One example: multi copters got close to zero coverage years ago. Now they are in the mags every month... As there sales increase, so does the magazine coverage...
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09-01-2016 11:44 AM 20 months ago | Post 32 |
Notar rrKey Veteran Taxachussetts | Same complaints, different decade,LOL. | ||
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09-01-2016 12:57 PM 20 months ago | Post 33 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | I personally don't feel the media.. or getting free stuff is the answerer. I go to lots of events that get far more turnout and lets face it.. RC boating does not even have a mag anymore..lolI also however don't think it hurts. Our largest RC boat race, The Masters. Has 15K in prizes. They have to limit the number of entry's to 250. Having said this I don't think its the prizes that bring in the racers (don't hurt but), its the "wanting to win a masters" and the local town.. (a bunch of townies (1,500 or so) hang out and watch the race). The mayor comes out and helps too.. (Hobart IN)We love racing with a fun audience!Anyway..Doing research for a living and what not.. I just want to try to understand what "Might" be going on or what "might" help get numbers up.. again.. we can choose to do nothing and I think we see where that is going.. or we can ATTEMPT to understand, suggestchanges and "give it a go".... wont happen over night.I guess one should ask..Do we think we have a attendance numbers problem with the 518 class at the AMA nats? Yes or no is fine..Grim Michael J Zaborowski | ||
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09-01-2016 03:08 PM 20 months ago | Post 34 |
heliwreckr rrApprentice Battle Creek, Taxigan | At one time there was so little participation in scale that the AMA was considering eliminating 518. As long as one guy kept showing up, they wouldn't drop it.It's not crashed 'til it hits the ground | ||
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09-01-2016 04:04 PM 20 months ago | Post 35 |
BarracudaHockey rrMaster Jacksonville FL | Top Gun (fixed wing) had a retirement rule but if memory serves it took more than winning once, even then the model could be campaigned again if it under went a new scheme.As of 2015 they eliminated the rule and made it retroactive so that any previously "retired" models could compete.My guess is that was made to increase participation because as others have said, you don't always have the means or time to build a competition machine each year.IMO there's always improvements that can be made to a model based on static scores, and flight scores based on judging feedback, and a whole year to practice so I would think maybe 3 wins and retire would be reasonable if you want to prevent a monopoly but if someone kept beating me I would just do my best to be better the next year.That said, while I cover a lot of events, I'm not a competitor though I played competitive sports most of my youth. So just my 2 cents on the subject.Andy | ||
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09-01-2016 05:22 PM 20 months ago | Post 36 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | Andy,Thanks for taking the time to read the thread and make that post.GrimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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09-01-2016 07:06 PM 20 months ago | Post 37 |
Notar rrKey Veteran Taxachussetts | There were several years when a specific individual ran the Nats, and we never had less than 8 competitors, sometimes as many as 12-14. He pestered people to enter, and it worked. If you leave it to peoples own devices, they will not enter. Money does not make a difference, neither does prizes. Unless, of course, you want to give away a new car or something along those lines, LOL. | ||
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09-01-2016 08:45 PM 20 months ago | Post 38 |
darrelluh1b rrApprentice Dalton Ga | Eric
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09-01-2016 09:09 PM 20 months ago | Post 39 |
![]() rrVeteran Eau Claire WI | East Coast.. good post..I too feel pear pressure is a great motivator. IF (IF) we had a 5 count minimum it would be easer to put pressure on your competitors to enter.I would not mind seeing an on line registration system either.. like EventZilla or whatever. We use this one for Boatinghttp://www.rcracingevents.com/Its easy pesey and does help with head counts..Anyway.. keep the thoughts coming.Thanks againGrimMichael J Zaborowski | ||
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09-02-2016 04:35 AM 20 months ago | Post 40 |
nobato1 rrApprentice USA | Everything needs a good shakedown IMO, but like all other heli disciplines, scale is experiencing the same reduction in participation all other areas are experiencing.All the boating comparison is not correlational..I stopped flying to help maybe that was a mistake. Your problem was not the same. Nats news is done all in one day pictures taken write up printed and pass out by hand. The final score is not in stone until all the scores are in.
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