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08-26-2016 04:41 PM  13 months agoPost 21
heliraptor10

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Gyros are not needed
Flybarless is not needed
Hv servos are not needed
2.4ghz with range over a mile is not needed

These are features that give us comfort in having control.

I'm suggesting a simple new feature.

Again,
I'm fairly certain any flybarless system could add this with a software update.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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08-26-2016 04:52 PM  13 months agoPost 22
revmix

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yeah, but there is not enough time to flip the panic switch in close proximity to anything [doing 3D smack in the face]

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08-26-2016 05:04 PM  13 months agoPost 23
heliraptor10

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yeah, but there is not enough time to flip the panic switch in close proximity to anything [doing 3D smack in the face]
This from the guy criticizing the pilot for not hitting the throttle hold switch the exact second his tail hit the ground.

This idea is less about that incident,
And more about giving people an added safety feature.

Most of us don't fly like that, or that close.
And a tail failure can happen for many other reasons.

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08-26-2016 05:08 PM  13 months agoPost 24
revmix

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the heli needs space to settle, stabilize or crash

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08-26-2016 05:16 PM  13 months agoPost 25
heliraptor10

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the heli needs space to settle, stabilize or crash
And the ability to navigate is key to that.

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08-26-2016 05:24 PM  13 months agoPost 26
revmix

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height is aviation's friend

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08-26-2016 05:35 PM  13 months agoPost 27
heliraptor10

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Are you a bot?

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08-26-2016 05:53 PM  13 months agoPost 28
revmix

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that's the tail bailout!

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08-26-2016 06:10 PM  13 months agoPost 29
heliraptor10

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If you use rescue/bailout/auto level in the event of a tail failure and gain altitude with a level pirouetting Heli it will drift.

It will drift due to the angles it took while self righting, or wind, or both.
It will drift into possibly unsafe scenarios for auto rotation.

Right now, unless your are a top pilot your best action in the event of a tail failure is the throttle hold.

If you added in the ability to navigate a tail damaged Heli you could bring the Heli back to a safe place for auto.

Now I know what you're going to say,
"You shouldn't be flying the heli where a little drift can put it in a dangerous scenario"

I think we've seen quite clearly how even within the safety guidelines a Heli can cross into danger.

I know I'm not going to convince some of you that this is a good idea. And frankly I don't care. I just wanted to get the idea out there.

Yes I have contacted manufacturers.

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08-26-2016 09:48 PM  13 months agoPost 30
jharkin

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Jharkin
You don't have time navigate. You can only bring it more or less straight down.
If you are flying smack on the deck - sure you have no time.

For us sport flyers who keep it 3 mistakes high you should have time. If its a 700 class and you are starting from 150-200 feet you do have time to think and aim the auto if you dont panic.

This is a good reason to do a LOT of auto practice. I do multiple autos every flight. So hopefully when the worst happens instinct will take over.

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08-27-2016 01:02 AM  13 months agoPost 31
heliraptor10

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What about a tail failure that locks the tail at deflection,
An auto will not stop that.

Granted, this also means that the heli is going to be spinning no matter what when you land, but at least you will be able to choose where to put it down.

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08-27-2016 01:08 AM  13 months agoPost 32
heliraptor10

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Also,
I admit that I'm virtually clueless when it comes to auto rotations.

The Goblin 500 doesn't auto well,
And it's the largest Heli I've ever flown.

So as it relates to what you have time to do I'll have to leave it at what you say.

Now of course I am pretty good at hitting the throttle hold.

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08-27-2016 01:12 AM  13 months agoPost 33
JuanRodriguez

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The Goblin 500 doesn't auto well,
I don't own that heli but I find that statement extremely hard to believe......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-27-2016 01:16 AM  13 months agoPost 34
heliraptor10

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It has really high disk loading.
People with 520mm blades say then it autos ok.

It just drops like a rock when you hit throttle hold.

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08-27-2016 01:25 AM  13 months agoPost 35
JuanRodriguez

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Maybe it's in the setup and technique ???

Years ago people could not believe how well I used to auto my Raptor 30 with wood blades.....

We didn't have the rescue/bailout/auto level stuff back then !!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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08-27-2016 01:50 AM  13 months agoPost 36
heliraptor10

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Oh I'm not saying it can't be autoed.

It's just that there's not a lot of room for error.

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