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08-07-2016 02:39 PM  14 months agoPost 1
ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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Looking for suggestions based on your all's experience. I am looking to jump into electrics to use as my "trainer / beater". I have been a nitro guy for many many years and have always shrugged off electrics. My current "trainer/beater" is a Synergy N5c (belt tail). The heli has been basically trouble free forever. I LOVE the flights times and the back to back to back to back flying. But the noise (irritating to the residential neighborhoods near where I fly) is having me rethink my strategy (and honestly the cost and availability of nitro is growing on me). I mainly fly in the early evening after work.

I am no 3D pilot. Big air, smooth sport is my style. I can fly in all orientations, but cant transition between them quickly. I takes me a second or so to "figure out" I have flipped from upright forward to inverted backward for example. It also generally takes me at least 1 flight or 2 to get "warmed up" every day. Right now, most of my flying is working on piro circuits. So with that in mind, I dont need some super powerful, super quick heli, and I am looking for something that will provide decent flight times as stick time is what I need to help me progress.

I am pretty sure I do NOT want the smaller style helis (under 500 size) for a couple of reasons. Seeing them fly, they look like they are WAY too fast for me. Second, I am not that comfortable flying close to me and my vision is such that those smaller helis become dots too often and too quickly for me and I cant clearly keep their orientation in focus.

I am thinking a 500 or 550 size 6S machine is maybe what I am looking for?

I dont think I want a 12S machine as I do not have a generator (yet), dont really want to buy one right now. I have a 306B charger and 24V/75A power supply so I can charge a couple of 6S 5000mAh packs in parallel at 2 or 3C comfortably at home. I do that twice at home after work before I go fly and I have four potential flights if it is a 6S machine. But if I go electric I know a generator is in my near future for sure.

What is important to me:
1. Flight times. Sub 5 minute flights just wont cut it for. Would really need to get 5 minutes 30 seconds plus to make it "usable" to me - (I get 6:30 flying time out of my Synergy N5c). So maybe something that can take a 5000mAh or larger 6S pack?
2. Durability and crash costs are both important. I will crash it (hopefully not often!) but when I do, I would prefer an airframe that doesnt require a rekit every time it touches the ground.
3. Prefer a frame that will take full size servos as I already have them I can use.

So there you go. Is it possible? Can you help steer me down the correct path?

As always, thanks in advance!

Steve

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08-07-2016 03:30 PM  14 months agoPost 2
JayL

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Leesburg GA

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Well sense your already flying synergy I would go with the e5 and you can set it up as a 550 or 600. For your flying style you could stretch it to a 600 and run a 5000 pac and get some good performance with a bigger feel.

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08-07-2016 04:15 PM  14 months agoPost 3
Dr.Ben

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E5S 606 on 6s @ 1525-1550 is good 6:30 of mild 3D or sport aerobtics. PM me if you'd like exact gearing and kv details.

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08-07-2016 10:03 PM  14 months agoPost 4
ICUR1-2

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Getting 6 mins on a 500 pro with a 12t pinion makes a good trainer batteries are reasonable and so are crash cost

spending time, paying attention

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08-07-2016 10:52 PM  14 months agoPost 5
Dan Minick

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I run my E5S on a 12s motor and a 7s pack. Head speed around 1500 I can get 10 mins on a 7s 5k pack. But its no performance beast, big air and light 3d

I setup this way as I already had 7s packs and it left me the option to go to 12s if I ever wanted to without switching anything but the packs.

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

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08-07-2016 11:16 PM  14 months agoPost 6
Dr.Ben

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That's a good approach as well. Mostly it comes down to model AUW and how much auto performance you want alongside a given amount of flight time. And a bit of difference in pack costs.
I use the 7S approach on my E5SS with 716's.

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08-08-2016 10:20 PM  14 months agoPost 7
ssmith512

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Thanks for the all of the input friends. I think I am leaning towards the E5. I did not realize it was so versatile. It will be a 600 class, low head speed 6S sport flier for a while that should give me a good compromise of flight time and sport flying performance and then can pretty easily become a 600 (or even 700) class 12S for more performance when I am ready.

Steve

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08-09-2016 02:54 PM  14 months agoPost 8
Richardmid1

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How about the Logo 550sx? Cheaper, cheaper to repair, can be a 600 or 700 in future, belt tail for durability and it's lighter! Good for 6 minutes plus sport flying in stock form!

One thing I will point out is that blade noise carries much further than a nitro engine and there is more blade noise with an electric due to the higher head speeds (OK if your not going any higher than nitro head speeds though).

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-11-2016 12:12 AM  14 months agoPost 9
MikeyD_From_Indy

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Steve
You mentioned your leaning towards a 6S ship, If that's your path I understand, but I wanted you to know I have an E700 ready to fly, Just need batteries. My offer is FREE! Has only been hovered twice.

Just ask you pay a good deed forward someday. Doesn't have to be hobby related either.

One condition the heli cant be sold or parted out for profit

Let me know
Mike

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08-11-2016 12:52 AM  14 months agoPost 10
jjeaster222000

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^^^^ what a dude!!!^^^^^ you are an amazing person! Very nice of you.

Team Synergy

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08-11-2016 01:00 AM  14 months agoPost 11
Dr.Ben

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Classy, period.

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08-11-2016 01:43 AM  14 months agoPost 12
Dan Minick

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I have seen 700's flown on 6s

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08-11-2016 01:52 AM  14 months agoPost 13
ssmith512

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MIKE!!!

Thanks for the offer friend! Folks, that is MikeD for you. He is ALWAYS interested in helping others and is the first to lend a hand.
I have seen 700's flown on 6s
I aint that good.

Steve

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08-11-2016 02:04 AM  14 months agoPost 14
gologo

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I aint that good.
Actually, going by the 2nd paragraph in your original post, a 6s 700,(12s
setup), would work very well for that stuff.....and gives you plenty of
time to think of your next move/transition.....very capable.

I know, I need plenty of time between my maneuvers also

And yes VERY cool of him to offer that machine....where is the 'thumbs up'
??

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08-11-2016 08:25 AM  14 months agoPost 15
Richardmid1

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Can always slip a 7s pack in for more power.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-11-2016 01:23 PM  14 months agoPost 16
chicagoslick

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Indiana, USA

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Hey Steve,

Glad Mike jumped in. I too had a couple of great heli's I would have given you, but now have sold. No matter what happened to our club we had a few great years together...

Gary Wright is the king of low head speed and I believe has run 6s setups before. Also a great resource is Matt Botos as I know he too has run 6S setups in the past with his Synergy ships...

Take care,

Gary

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08-17-2016 04:46 AM  14 months agoPost 17
artimus

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Buckley WA

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The Synergy E7 is a good choice too... it can be built as a 600 or 700 on 6s or 12 s or any thing in between. You already know the quality of Synergy....you can move up as you get more comfortable.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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