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05-20-2016 03:07 PM  19 months agoPost 1
wjvail

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http://www.towerhobbies.com/product...a/futk9540.html

Can someone in-the-know point out the differences in the "WC" transmitter?

It is listed as having a "Black Chrome" finish. Anything other than looks?

Firmware is probably the same. Are the gimbals, switches, pots, etc the same? Same screen?

Bill

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05-20-2016 03:28 PM  19 months agoPost 2
bbaxter

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It also now includes the T-FHSS telemetry protocol, so it's compatible with all current-production Futaba 2.4 GHz aircraft receivers.

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05-20-2016 04:10 PM  19 months agoPost 3
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Is that something that is firmware upgradable on the older 18MZ?


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05-20-2016 04:18 PM  19 months agoPost 4
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Hey Bill. Good to hear from you again. It's been a while since I ran into one of your posts.

So I've been a little bit a sleep at the wheel and didn't notice there was a new protocol.

I suppose we are talking about this receiver?.?.
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXDXFF&P=7
http://www.gpdealera.com/cgi-bin/wg....pgm?I=FUTL7685

Recently I've been doing a lot of flying using the R7003SB receiver and a Castle Creations Telemetry Link. Of course to do this also required the new 18MZ firmware.
http://www.castlecreations.com/prod...link-sbus2.html
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXCWHD&P=ML

The combination of these pieces has resulted in a lot of really enjoyable flying. I have been working to improve the efficiency of my setup. It has been educational. The ability to make a change and see real time data on the transmitter is revolutionary. I have a large bag of pinions and a stack of Scorpion motors (2221-6,8,10,12) in front of me. I can do the math, make a change, walk out and fly, and SEE the change on the TX. Really cool.

Again. I haven't been paying that much attention. Is T-FHSS something I want? Is it another name for something I already have? Is it more than a firmware update to the (old) 18MZ?
http://www.futabarc.com/technology/fhss.html

Finally, I don't know if I (we) say thank you enough for all you and Futaba does. I recently updated the Firmware on all of my 750 gyros and my 18MZ transmitter and have been really impressed with these changes - free changes. It didn't go unnoticed that I have seen considerable enjoyment added to my modeling at zero cost. Thank you for that.

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05-20-2016 05:06 PM  19 months agoPost 5
Dr.Ben

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TFHSS requires new hardware, so existing 18MZ's are not firmware updateable. You're not terribly hindered here Bill because the 18MZ does of course supports FASSest. It just doesn't talk to the telemetry aircraft FHSS receivers.

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05-20-2016 05:12 PM  19 months agoPost 6
Sparkhead

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Thanks Ben. I've just been having a bit of a look at FHSS. What's the idea of having it when you can have FASST? Is it meant to be a cheaper option?


Mick.

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05-20-2016 05:19 PM  19 months agoPost 7
Dr.Ben

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Correct. FHSS is a single processor based receiver design that offers a reliable, yet less costly option versus a FASST(est) receiver.

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05-20-2016 05:30 PM  19 months agoPost 8
Sparkhead

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Thanks. I just saw that the T-FHSS R3008SB is around $60 and the FASSTest equivalent R7008SB is around $125. I was originally thinking why bother but the price difference makes sense of it now.


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05-20-2016 05:31 PM  19 months agoPost 9
helitom

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FWIW -

I asked Futaba on 5/14 about the changes/upgradability between the MZ and the MZ WC - as Dr. Ben sez, Futaba's response was that the MZ and MZ WC are different pieces of equipment and the old is not upgradeable to the new.

I also asked if eventual firmware updates for one will be compatible with the other? - response was that this is an unknown.

I also asked that if I inadvertently tried to update my MZ firmware with an update intended for the MZ WC, will that trash my MZ? - response was that this is an unknown.

The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.

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05-20-2016 07:41 PM  19 months agoPost 10
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Sometimes I get a little lost in the alphabet soup of technology.

So these two receivers seem to be very similar with one being FASSTest and the other being T-FHSS. They are within $30 of each other and both would seem to be a good choice for a helicopter.

Is T-FHSS intended as a solution for Futaba transmitters that don't support FASSTest? Examples might be the 6k, 8J or 10J. I currently have an 18MZ and a 14MZ as backup and the $30 price difference isn't that important to me. Does T-FHSS offer me anything? Is it a full range? Is it as quick with similar resolution as FASSTest?

Finally, I suppose S-FHSS is T-FHSS without telemetry? My 18MZ is S-FHSS capable but the only thing that brings to the table is $40 receivers, is that correct?

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05-22-2016 09:29 PM  18 months agoPost 11
Rojoalfa

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Things that I dont get it...

Have a 18MZ to run fhss cheaper receivers...

There is a lot fhss compatible receiver on the market... Waiting for... 18MZ? No way...

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Saludos cordiales,

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05-23-2016 02:34 AM  18 months agoPost 12
knightofcarnage

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TFHSS requires new hardware, so existing 18MZ's are not firmware updateable. You're not terribly hindered here Bill because the 18MZ does of course supports FASSest. It just doesn't talk to the telemetry aircraft FHSS receivers.
Dr Ben,
As a suggestion for high-end radio systems. They should be designed with a module upgradble system in mind. Or something like military been trying to do with JTRS. But I'm still waiting for open-source radio from futaba.

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05-24-2016 12:59 PM  18 months agoPost 13
wjvail

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Things that I dont get it...
Have a 18MZ to run fhss cheaper receivers...
There is a lot fhss compatible receiver on the market... Waiting for... 18MZ? No way...
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Well. Maybe I can help. I have a lot of models and not all of them require a $125 receiver. I find it hard to justify hundreds of dollars on a receiver for a park flier that will never hit 30 mph or get more than 500' away.

I can't justify buying a new 18MZ WC just to get the new T-FHSS protocol but I'm glad Futaba included it for those buying a new radio. It appears I will be "stuck" using S-FHSS, FASST, and FASSTest on my non-WC 18MZ.

Bill

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05-24-2016 01:06 PM  18 months agoPost 14
Four Stroker

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Hey guys;

Why do all of your models have to be on the same transmitter ? I often hear "I can't buy a new transmitter, I have 60 models ! It has to be compatible with all of my old receivers." Well OK. Then you are damned to use the same brand of transmitter for the rest of your earthly days.

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05-24-2016 04:42 PM  18 months agoPost 15
wjvail

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Hey guys;
Why do all of your models have to be on the same transmitter ? I often hear "I can't buy a new transmitter, I have 60 models ! It has to be compatible with all of my old receivers." Well OK. Then you are damned to use the same brand of transmitter for the rest of your earthly days.
Hey Four,

A fair question and the obvious answer is that they don't have all be on the same transmitter. This will label me as a sinner but, I also have a DX8. While I find it inconvenient to maintain two transmitters, there are too many nice bind-and-fly craft and I felt like I needed something Spektrum.

The DX8 is not my primary transmitter by any means and I am largely committed to Futaba for the foreseeable future. You might say I am damned with Futaba but I would suggest it is a nice place to be damned. Personally, I find it is similar to being "trapped" in Shangri-La.

Finally, there is this. $3,000 for any transmitter is not something to be taken lightly and represents something of a commitment to that brand. In addition to the cost, there is the issue of really learning how to use your transmitter. You paid a lot for one of the world's most capable radios - makes since to learn how to use it right?

I am extremely comfortable with Futaba's programming and only barely competent with JR or Spektrum. Given unlimited funds I don't know if owning a JR 28, Spektrum 18 and Futaba 18MZ would be an upgrade. Programming a park-flier on my comparatively simple DX8 is not a problem, but for more complex models, I find it easier to stick to one TX.

Just a few random thoughts...

Bill

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05-24-2016 07:06 PM  18 months agoPost 16
Four Stroker

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Most of the above mentioned guys have a DX7 or 8.

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05-25-2016 12:28 AM  18 months agoPost 17
Rojoalfa

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Futaba 18MZ WC...

A friend of mine, Fly a logo mikado with vbar...
Vbar do the all functions, so I recomended him Futaba 6J to do the Same thing... Sell the WC and buy two more logos...

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Saludos cordiales,

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05-25-2016 03:11 AM  18 months agoPost 18
wjvail

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All this talk of Park Fliers and T-FHSS got me to thinking it's been a while since I flew one of my favorite planes... This is the mighty mighty Yard Stick. I went out for a short flight this evening and thought I'd share.

Tell me again I need an expensive receiver for this model.

Bill

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05-25-2016 03:35 AM  18 months agoPost 19
atvracer

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you can always get a FRSKY rx for $20 for the parks/drones that works with 18mz they even have a full range RX

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05-25-2016 03:59 AM  18 months agoPost 20
Dr.Ben

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All the flavors of Futaba's FHSS are sound and reliable. Fasst is just an extra level further. I would trust the former in anything I own.

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