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05-22-2016 06:50 PM  18 months agoPost 21
MattJen

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I posted on this guys video an said about LOS, his reply was he had good eyes.

As far as he was concerned the rules did not matter and he felt this thread was full of sad dudes.

All The Best

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05-22-2016 07:03 PM  18 months agoPost 22
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I posted on this guys video an said about LOS, his reply was he had good eyes.
As far as he was concerned the rules did not matter and he felt this thread was full of sad dudes.
Exactly; if he's got such good eyes turn off the automation and let's see how well he does.

Here's the quandary; I'm not a fan of doing the FAA's work but OTOH it's painfully obvious what is causing the problems for us as modelers. The question is what to do about it?

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05-22-2016 07:33 PM  18 months agoPost 23
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No prison rats are worse, trying to get time off for spying on others.

If it is illegal and it makes you mad, drop a dime, don't complain.
Narks are the worst kind of people. Snakes!!

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05-23-2016 03:56 AM  18 months agoPost 24
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The question is what to do about it?
show up with a set of bolt cutters when he is flying and clip off his Tx antenna

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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05-23-2016 12:45 PM  18 months agoPost 25
conbones

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The problem is the federal gov. not citizens.
place the blame on the tyrants were it belongs.

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05-23-2016 03:22 PM  18 months agoPost 26
1helimech

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Yeah do a Bobbitt on it...

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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05-26-2016 07:54 PM  18 months agoPost 27
TMoore

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Call the local FAA field office and ask for the UAV Point of Contact and point these videos out to them. First of all, the FAA field office will tell you that what is on the registration forms are just guide lines. They are not hard and fast rules. The 400' limit is just a suggestion, the LOS thing is just that, it's a thing, flying over people is another well meaning suggestion. According to the field office I spoke to there is no enforcement teeth in any of this at the moment and as far as they are concerned they can't be bothered. As far as they are concerned putting the number on the aircraft isn't a hard and fast rule either, it's just a suggestion. The representatives I spoke to thought we got an N number for every aircraft not just a single number for the pilot only. Don't hammer me with a bunch of arguments, call the office for yourself and talk to them. Get your own answers.

When I called and after a lengthy conversation I asked them if we can ignore TFR's and they couldn't answer that either. So as far as I'm concerned TFR's don't count because models aren't currently considered aircraft under the present rules. I spoke to several field offices and to different FAA contacts and the story is not in the least consistent from office to office and depending on who you speak to. One thing is clear; none of the folks that I spoke to were modelers, they were all full size pilots though. They really don't understand the difference between stabilized multirotor aircaft and models flown in a LOS operation. They are under the impression that flying models is not a particularly difficult skill and they base that on what they have seen with the likes of Phantoms and similar aircraft. I tried to explain to them that a multirotor under the aid and guidance of GPS satellites is not really flying a model. I don't think they get it.

One thing is clear though, the AMA has to do a better job of communicating with us. There is a new AMA video coming out today or tonight that sheds some light on things and the AMA now has a lobbying/law firm walking the halls of Congress on our behalf.

Watch at YouTube

It is imperative that they take the approach with Congress that Congress needs us more than we need them. Up to know the registration has done nothing but alienate modeling against the FAA and for good reason, registration is not going to solve the "drone" problem. They need our eyes on the lookout and thus far the majority of folks out here don't give a rats azz about the FAA and their guidelines and aren't willing to help them police the skies. If the Senate bill had a chance of passing it would shut down 500 clubs around the country immediately on passage as the FBO's would simply say no and not fool with us.

My take is if the FAA and Congress are going to pass these laws then they can figure out how to enforce them themselves. They clearly don't need our input. The current crop of "drone" buyers don't have a clue and don't want to be told what, how or when and have no desire to learn. The FAA has made it plain that they don't need AMA/Members input and aren't going to listen to us.

Call your FAA field office and talk to them and see for yourself. They have much more work to do other than messing with "drone" sightings.

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05-26-2016 10:39 PM  18 months agoPost 28
1helimech

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What do FBOs have to do with "drone" flight? FBOs are just gas stations for airplanes and maybe have a mechanic in the back to fix your broken aircraft...

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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05-26-2016 11:18 PM  18 months agoPost 29
TMoore

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Under the current Senate version of the rules modelers would have to ask the Airport Operator/FBO permission if we fly within 5 miles of an active tower. The B4ufly app shows you were active airports are.

The App is wrong a lot but it's there regardless.
What do FBOs have to do with "drone" flight? FBOs are just gas stations for airplanes and maybe have a mechanic in the back to fix your broken aircraft...
Call the local office yourself and get your own answers.

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05-27-2016 11:20 AM  18 months agoPost 30
1helimech

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An FBO has NOTHING to do with air ops at an airport !!! They may give traffic reports but that is not required...There are three FBOs at my airport so which one do I notify??? The FBO thing is ludacris

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05-27-2016 01:31 PM  18 months agoPost 31
TMoore

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Look it up on Skyvector. At the local airport, the Manager pumps gas.

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05-27-2016 08:16 PM  18 months agoPost 32
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Depends on the airport. A fixed based operation is normally a private business that provides services, fuel, hangar, tie down, maintenance, pilot supplies etc that facilitate the operation of an aircraft.

The airport manager is the authority that is responsible for the airports operation. It is he that will be the liaison with FAA for any legal matters. Depending on the category of airport these responsibilities will vary.

While it is possible and is frequently the case that the owner/operator of the FBO is also the airport manager it is not necessary and the two functions are legally separate.

The Chart Supplement https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/fli..._products/dafd/ previously known as the airport/facility directory specifically lists the contact information for the airport manager.

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05-27-2016 09:11 PM  18 months agoPost 33
TMoore

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While it is possible and is frequently the case that the owner/operator of the FBO is also the airport manager it is not necessary and the two functions are legally separate.
Thanks Steve.

Where I live we don't have any airports like a large metro area such as Nashville or Knoxville where they are most likely split up. Around here they are for the most part one and the same. In this area per Skyvector there is no ATC present at Upper Cumberland.

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05-29-2016 06:08 PM  18 months agoPost 34
TMoore

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Here's a perfect example of how not to fly. No control, flying beyond line of sight and under the hood.

Watch at YouTube

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