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05-17-2016 02:58 AM  19 months agoPost 381
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1) How monotheism took over polytheism is something that really puzzles me
I teach a class on this exact subject.

Israelites were multi cultural, and after the bronze age collapse around 1200 BC there were a semi nomadic people not a nation or place that were known as "Is ra el" That was mowed over by Egyptians roughly 1209 BC. El we think stood for the god El redacted into Elohim when the text were redacted after Kind Josiahs reforms 622BC.

Anyway after the bronze age collapse these Semitic people were joined by many other Semitic people and after 200 years we see northern and southern traditions emerge.

They all worshipped a family of deities El the father of all deities had a son Yahweh and Baal and had a wife Asherah.

El was more popular in the north and Yahweh in the south.

Yahweh was a warrior deity. By 800 BC we see some communities attributing all of Els power to Yahweh including Asherah his wife. As found on 8th century B.C. inscription on pottery found in the Sinai desert at a site called Kuntillet Ajrud.

In times of war the people would rally around Yahweh, and in peace they would rally around Baal and even Asherah was primary in many places.

AGAIN I need to stress were talking about many communities and they were not unified in any way.

These people were beat down many times and new people moved in and became part of the multi cultural people who were beat down so many times they had no clue of their onw origin.

That is where the biblical stories were created.

But all of the first five books were multiple communities collections, and creation and flood stories were different and were compiled together after 622 BC.

So back to your question. Knowing the Babylonians destruction of Jerusalem was imminent. King Josiah a loyal Yahwist forced the people to become loyal to Yahweh. Many did not follow his lead but Monotheism was born.

All the biblical text was redacted to match monotheism to Yahweh and this was not the final form of the text. While in Mesopotamia the people were heavily influenced by the Mesopotamian mythology which also wanted to see the people UNIFIED in belief.

While the monotheistic reform was political in nature, the people over time started to take hold of the NEW ways. Monotheism as you know it was not really fully seated until Alexander the Great mowed them over yet again.

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05-17-2016 02:59 AM  19 months agoPost 382
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This is a more detailed explanation

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05-17-2016 03:09 AM  19 months agoPost 383
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2) The anonymous nature of the four gospels, the redundancy between Mark, Matthew and Luke, and the inclusion of entire segments during early Christianism into the canonical documents is also very troubling.
Its called the synoptic problem.

Its not troubling and we have it narrowed down to an explanation that explains it in full.

Mark wrote first, it was a compilation or written and oral traditions.

Matthew wrote next using Mark and he plagiarized it, putting his spin on it.

Luke copied next doing the same exact thing and adding Acts as a second part for their communities.

We also see a common source used in Matthew and Luke called Q that we believe was copied word for word. It could have been an oral tradition and or written, or even both.

THIS is explained simply that after the fall of the temple these communities were no longer sharing information orally at Passover every year or when ever they went. So there was a need for written "good news" so we see Mark. But other communities thought it was missing information and kept they traditions they followed and added or subtracted what they believed in.

The people who found all the text valuable and collected them as a canon, did not care if their were contradictions, they were early valuable text that were popular in multiple communities and needed to be saved as is.

Christianity was wide and diverse in beliefs in the first 3 centuries, before the trinity exited and no text had yet become canonized. These different tales represent the diversity of the early movement.

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05-17-2016 03:55 AM  19 months agoPost 384
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05-17-2016 04:21 AM  19 months agoPost 385
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So back to your question. Knowing the Babylonians destruction of Jerusalem was imminent. King Josiah a loyal Yahwist forced the people to become loyal to Yahweh. Many did not follow his lead but Monotheism was born.
I thought the oldest monotheistic religion was found in Egypt, dated back to Akhenaten.
In Egypt did not flourish because going from polytheism to monotheism should not have been easy to accept.
Its not troubling and we have it narrowed down to an explanation that explains it in full.
I meant to say it was suggestive of duplication, or as you call it "plagiarism". Thus, making them dubious.


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05-17-2016 05:06 AM  19 months agoPost 386
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I meant to say it was suggestive of duplication, or as you call it "plagiarism". Thus, making them dubious.
It was common to adapt adopted text, and change it as needed.

Israelites did it for a thousand years.

When you get into the rhetorical prose and realize how they used historical events and turned them into fancy pseudo historical stories, you would think dubious comes to mind. But this is just how written text existed in illiterate cultures, during these time periods.
I thought the oldest monotheistic religion was found in Egypt, dated back to Akhenaten
Monolatry is a fair description, he was not practicing monotheism like we have today. Towards the end of his reign he was tolerant of the people who never did switch.

The nation/country itself never followed his reforms. As it stands there is current debating on exactly how much he actually may have forced it on the people. Many signs of polytheism existed during his lifetime.

he did not actively deny the existence of other gods

and he did not tell his people to worship Aten, he told them to worship he himself.

Some still claim he introduced monotheism, and its also fair to say he stopped worshipping other gods and only did one. Its easy for a politician to flip flop and change from henotheism to monolatry, and to monotheism.

If your going to create and define what a god is and does, I think its easier to just give all attributes to one. The people were not ready for it in his day.

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05-17-2016 05:54 AM  19 months agoPost 387
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When you get into the rhetorical prose and realize how they used historical events and turned them into fancy pseudo historical stories, you would think dubious comes to mind. But this is just how written text existed in illiterate cultures, during these time periods.
This still happens nowadays, want a little example, read the daily posts by some RR members
I think its easier to just give all attributes to one.
Not if you have had many, see other religions that remain polytheistic even now. Surviving for hundreds of years
In my opinion, without force, is simply impossible to impose religion, see UK in the 1500s going from Caths to Prots. The evangelization of the New World comes to mind too.
So, was there any force that managed to impose monotheism in the region? Christians (Caths) did not thrive in Jewish land back then. Thus, the question remains


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05-17-2016 05:56 AM  19 months agoPost 388
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X -Your up on your GAME !!

The pyramids had been completed aprox : 380 year's Prior to Moses going past them with the tribes of slaves during the EXODUS.

Now look at the age of the USA just using the Birth date of 1776.

It's either a Lovely Aroma or the Stench of a FOOL !

Far as a response ? To Forsaken Dokey ??? NOPE Why we practice GRACE He can wind mill = Know his MOTIVE - a MESS who has no other purpose. " GOD IS ON THE MOVE IN HIS Mighty WAY "

Speak the truth that set's Men FREE !
The Gospel is stirring searching souls

A positive attribute ?? TO -STUDY for TRUTH. To examine the Synoptic s in detail is WONDERFUL far as exposure : KNOW the Individual MEN Just awesome - Let him spin. How far is the East from the West ?

Their Persona and attributes - Their Soul's as individuals - EACH . WHy is it recommended that a Neubie always start's in JOHN ?? or why is NOT Pete included??. Yet 1st and 2nd Pete is just jammed packed.

OR JAMES ?? a BROTHER !!!! Do know of a individual who is still in JAMES after 3 Year's !!! Exploring

It is not a complete ANSWER Book : Yet solves many common issues that Today are STILL the Same. Many Other banks of source information - from the outside looking in also. WOW Stuff !

We JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE : CALL IT GRACE - JESUS -

Their is NO- Wisdom or Knowledge in FOOL"S
I teach a class on this exact subject.
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who ever the Prof is doing this ?? - has got to be a screaming blast !
Like to sit in the Prior's then the De- Briefing's - OPPORTUNITY
Nothing better than a teaching tool They gota wiggle and wet them selves for week's ! That dude is Making BANK !! his scholars must be MONSTOR's ! Like to own his Book who ever he is !
He's EVIL

KEEP IT SIMPLE > The WAY It Was meant to BE

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05-17-2016 12:28 PM  19 months agoPost 389
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Christianity was wide and diverse in beliefs in the first 3 centuries, before the trinity exited and no text had yet become canonized. These different tales represent the diversity of the early movement.
"You're a scoundrelsc it very sad that God still allow you to breathe."

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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05-17-2016 04:25 PM  19 months agoPost 390
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So, was there any force that managed to impose monotheism in the region?
Absolutely

King Josiahs reforms were political and forced on the people who for the most part refused.

After his forced conversion it took hundreds of years for monotheism to evolve into a national religious practice.

People take to it just fine.

Its why Jesus message was so popular. But at that time the Roman citizens could worship a corrupt politician the emperor as "son of god" or they could worship a perceived selfless man who gave the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the common man.

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05-17-2016 04:28 PM  19 months agoPost 391
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"You're a scoundrelsc it very sad that God still allow you to breathe."
Don't worry little cuckold

Religious nutjobs have always hated the truth.

But you remain silent in the background, and make no difference to anyone.

I influence future generations, because academia is important that people do not grow up like you.

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05-17-2016 05:35 PM  19 months agoPost 392
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Look at all the Dummies : rotflmao - think : Or Not TOO

Written by : John Newton - 1725 > 1807: Published 1779

Dokey's : GREAT BANANA PEEL

I influence future generations, because academia is important that people do not grow up like you.
Just where did academia come from Mr. Dokey ??

Must not of gotten his soap bubbles today Poor Child - THE LOST

Why our harps have the most strings

Now go Bang Your Head on the Desk ABSENT

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05-18-2016 04:38 AM  19 months agoPost 393
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my brother from another mother
its about to happen if you dont pump your breaks hate to see you get banned again

for the love of good stop trolling people i see your going from, 1 blacks post to another not very entertaining

sorry brother cant have your kind of humor in my post i have to much on my plate atm god bless

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05-18-2016 11:23 AM  19 months agoPost 394
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still the best place to send a kid for a education Christians care

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05-18-2016 02:36 PM  19 months agoPost 395
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Esco
Yes I did watch it, once I see the computer generated ancient bird I stop watching, if there's something feasible and genuine that one can learn from i'll watch."
Well how about you go back and watch the dam video ignore what living dinosaurs might have looked like and learn about the crater and the KT boundary have a look at some evidence understand what fossils are above and below the KT boundary.
"Now think about this....!
65 millions years, do you honestly think that human could created afterwards and come to find giant Lizards foots print...?
As I have said to you before you can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts Sorry but this is fact we have foot prints in the rocks.
So' with all being said by you we can now assume that all of this is all false fabricated and we think that how it all fall down rights.?
Yes I can agree the bible like all religions is completely false.
Talking about billions or millions of years when humans can only account for for a few thousand years."
Because that's all had being register to us, whatever spiritually or naturally."
I am guessing you're at least younger than 50, so technically your reading just like i'm."
So what you are saying here is that if something is not written down we can't believe it?

Based on this type of thinking a detective would never be able to solve a crime. Let's say for example a missing persons bones are found long after they were killed how do we solve that crime? we need evidence where will we find it Esco? in the bible?

What scientists are doing is detective work... Or maybe this is what you think happened

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05-18-2016 02:43 PM  19 months agoPost 396
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I think this sums up nicely what the problem with teaching religion is

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05-18-2016 03:13 PM  19 months agoPost 397
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Spock was Ficticious : Had Pointed Ear's Dated Garlocks Daughter : Cartoon Net Work

GETTING NEW KING"S AND QUEEN'S: Re- programming the Cartoon Head's with Little Wire's going into their head's - eating jelly MENTAL beans too COPE .

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05-18-2016 05:27 PM  19 months agoPost 398
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Spock was Ficticious
So is your god.

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05-18-2016 07:44 PM  19 months agoPost 399
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So, do I want religion in our schools? Hell, no! God knows what they might want to enforce! How about Islam, or worse, how about Judaism or any protestant cult (Evangelism, Baptism, Spiritism, Mormonism, etc).
Now I would be perfectly ok with Catholicism


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05-18-2016 07:51 PM  19 months agoPost 400
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Well how about you go back and watch the dam video ignore what living dinosaurs might have looked like and learn about the crater and the KT boundary have a look at some evidence understand what fossils are above and below the KT boundary.
You're talking about cosmetic bro not the real deal." we can make guester which is natural but, we can't perpetuated things that we assume to be." And say it legit, or at lease accurate."

And the notions is that no one was presented then
To classified thing as fact finding." By your words we was never around."

These fossils must be indigenous for God didnt create thems, human wasn't present with them for this would've lend credit to cave dwellers, same as the monkey-human theory." You believe in so fundamentally."

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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