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03-07-2016 11:35 AM  21 months agoPost 1
jonesjj

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Greetings All,
Want to do an RC Aerodyne Bell Bell 429 with there 4 blade PNP head or there AS 350 with there 3 blade PNP head.

This will be my first multi blade head ship, I see they like the NAZA with or without GPS on there site. I have been using VBar with my Futaba in the past and have now switch to the newer NEO W/Vlink and there new V Control TX, it sure is nice to program from the TX and I have not had any issue with pod and boom set ups.

Can any one chime in with any opinion on the new Vbar NEO with Control for 3 or 4 ( Multi Blade Head ) or should I get the Fut TX back out and go with something else like the NAZA with or with out GPS.

Any opinions very welcome.

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03-07-2016 07:08 PM  21 months agoPost 2
goodhunting

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with the exception of the GPS module... both units do the same thing.... they stabilize the helicopter.

some will argue for NAZa... others for Vbar... there are some of us that have great success with SK720....
I'd say stick with what you know... if it works... use it...
Vbar can do all that NAZA can except the GPS module...

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03-07-2016 07:47 PM  21 months agoPost 3
old nitroman

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+1 stick to what you know

E5s and E7se,and a 766, Roban bell 222 800 superscale,450 bell 4 bladed head,gobby 380and 420 ,180cfx

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03-07-2016 08:22 PM  21 months agoPost 4
jonesjj

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Thanks guys I know the VBar and don't really need GPS so I will go with what I am used to.

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03-07-2016 09:24 PM  21 months agoPost 5
coptercptn

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Hey Jeff, you won't gain anything with the NAZA ... Vbar will work just fine!

Home of the "Sea Cobra".....

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03-08-2016 12:41 PM  21 months agoPost 6
jonesjj

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Thanks Jim, will do that.

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03-08-2016 06:26 PM  21 months agoPost 7
Whopper Chopper

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I would check to see if anyone else is successfully using a VBAR on the Roban mechanics. I am currently setting up a VBAR (Full size) on my AS350 and the servo travel is too extreme. I've moved the ball links closest to the inner horn along with reducing the travel on my TX. I also attempted to tame the cyclic by reducing the Cyclic Ring to around 30. I just dont feel comfortable with with adjusting travel on the TX while using a FBL unit.

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03-08-2016 06:52 PM  21 months agoPost 8
jonesjj

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Hmmm something to check in to try to do a search on Roban and Vbar and did not come up with any thing, maybe some one who has this set up Roban/Vbar will chime in.

I will be using the NEO with Vlink and VControl don't know if that would make any diff or not, what TX are you using?

Cutting down the travel reduces the resolution to I think, not the best situation, having most travel on TX and using mech set up to reduce throw is the optimum way to go Yes?

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03-08-2016 06:58 PM  21 months agoPost 9
Whopper Chopper

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Don't let my comment deter you from considering the VBar. My issue just very well may be an isolated issue. Congrats on the purchase of the either of the two Scale Helicopters. They are both a work of art.

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03-08-2016 07:29 PM  21 months agoPost 10
jonesjj

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No definitely going with V bar and 429 I have been reading some posts with Roban blade sets being quite a ways out of balance and CG from one another I hope I don't get a set like, little I can deal with, a lot I don't like

Also trying to figure out if going 14S is going to be better than 12S for the large-scale projects

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03-09-2016 03:39 AM  21 months agoPost 11
Whopper Chopper

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The servo horns were my issue. I switched from the metal Align servo arm to a smaller servo wheel and all works well. Pardon my previous interruption, and Once again --> congrats on your decision.

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03-09-2016 11:46 AM  21 months agoPost 12
goodhunting

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Ok... I have Vbar blue wiht PRO and I loaded the Xtreme software. I have a test platform ... a Trex700 stretched to 800... I use this to try new things, both new setups and new flight patterns... before I try them out with scale helicopters...

I had some issues with setup of this helicopter as it had a slow portpoise movement in forward flight... I made all my adjustments in Vbar software and although the helicopter hovered without any issues (not even a tail wag) the portpoise movement persisted until I changed the software parameters out of the recomended range. While it is not something that Mikado suggests... the helicopter now flies like on rails even with a slow headspeed.

Just for fun I hooked up just one flight battery (stokc setup for 12S) and with 6S and really slow HS the helicopter still flew... without any issues.

since NEO units are supposed to be even better than the older units... I do not think you will have any serious issues. It may take a while to dial it in but once done... it is a blast...

gh

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03-09-2016 12:26 PM  21 months agoPost 13
jonesjj

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goodhunting: were you running multi blade head? if you were which one was it? was it the PNP head or one that you have to adjust the Phazing yourself? the PNP heads have the J style arms to the swash where the non PNP heads just have straight pushrods to the swash.

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03-09-2016 09:35 PM  21 months agoPost 14
goodhunting

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On Trex800-stretched I ran a two blade head. But before I put the Vbar on this helicopter I had this unit on my Trex600 test platform with regular PRO software and a four blade head. No PNP... Just regular links that go straight down and are parallel to the main shaft...
I adhusted phasing via software and computer. Had no issues with that setup....

Gh

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