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12-21-2015 12:50 AM  24 months agoPost 21
jschenck

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IANAL - but I don't see how this could be prosecuted. The requirement appears to be in direct conflict with the:

FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012

I don't plan to register for two reasons:

1. I don't see how this is legal. I *hope* that someone with deep enough pockets can bring a Federal case against this registeration requirement that appears to be in direct conflict with section 336

2. I *already* register myself as a model aircraft pilot - AMA number should be in the aircraft we active members fly. If the FAA wants to identify a legitimately registered model aircraft because of some incident, a simple subpoena to the AMA would get that information.

The FAA does not need a completely separate way to register and track my information above any beyond the AMA.

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12-21-2015 01:06 AM  24 months agoPost 22
jbjones

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jschenck : 1. I don't see how this is legal. I *hope* that someone with deep enough pockets can bring a Federal case against this registeration requirement that appears to be in direct conflict with section 336

2. I *already* register myself as a model aircraft pilot - AMA number should be in the aircraft we active members fly. If the FAA wants to identify a legitimately registered model aircraft because of some incident, a simple subpoena to the AMA would get that information.

The FAA does not need a completely separate way to register and track my information above any beyond the AMA.
Outstanding. Hope you don't mind, but I "borrowed" some of the above and sent to my Representative, as a follow-up. I already wrote him once, last week. To which a staffer of his called me in my office to confirm that they had received it, and passed it along to him.

Thank you.

-JB

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12-21-2015 02:55 AM  24 months agoPost 23
jschenck

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maybe these concepts can get some traction in the community and some notice with our hired (elected) policy representatives.

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12-21-2015 03:03 AM  24 months agoPost 24
Aaron29

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I will be blown away if the FAA ever recognized being part of a nonprofit organization as exemption. It just isn't their way.

Gotta think of the FAA as like the DMV on raging steroids. Would the DMV exempt you from registration simply for being in a nonprofit that barely shows up on their radar? Can you perceive of a situation where they would?

I still strongly think AMA pursuing this is a losing strategy. Especially because it's the same policy they had DURING the talks. So it's not like FAA doesn't know about it.

I bet the closest we get to it is AMA, upon our approval, forwarding our information and entering our information into the FAA registry for us and eating the five bucks for us. Perhaps getting the same number as our AMA number. But this isn't much different than just registering ourselves in the grace period. This is about as much as we can hope for IMO, and much more is dreaming.

Still wish AMA would pursue other options. Because this is spitting at the moon hoping to land a shot.

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12-21-2015 03:09 AM  24 months agoPost 25
jschenck

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true, the FAA would not bend that way. If the concept has any chance it would be with the congress and senate being persuaded by constituents.

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12-21-2015 03:24 AM  24 months agoPost 26
jbjones

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jschenck : If the concept has any chance it would be with the congress and senate being persuaded by constituents.
Yep. In a perfect world.

Unfortunately, we live in a place where $$ is KING. Oh, that and the ultimate...the S-word.

s a f e t y.

I agree with you though. We've got to pound our respective idiots in DC. Granted, there's a lot going on in this world other than toy aircraft. I give them that. We still have to do our jobs as hobbyists, nonetheless.

Y'all write your DC critters.

-JB

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12-21-2015 03:54 AM  24 months agoPost 27
Aaron29

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s a f e t y.

Glad you spelled that out I was thinking of the other S word that usually goes with money

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12-21-2015 04:15 AM  24 months agoPost 28
elmobad

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It's is a "S" word but it's not safty! The word your thinking of has a "B" in front of it.

GOT FBL?

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12-21-2015 05:35 AM  24 months agoPost 29
grim.the.grim

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NO! NO! NO!

I posted the following in two other threads. I feel the need to share here. Sorry if it is too long. But I am of tired being silent. I WILL NOT BE A LEMMING!
It is a shame that we have a nation of "followers", "believers", and kool-aid drinkers". People forget that our founding fathers helped create a nation of freedom seeking, government mistrusting, and liberty loving individuals.

Our own founding fathers did not trust the government they formed.

Yet everyday we give away our rights, slowly, one by one.

Lemmings that see no wrong in..."just registering", "its only five dollars", "how is that an inconvenience".

All of you who see no wrong in the government slowing intruding in your life should open a history book, read the federalist papers, study the fall of other great civilizations.

The true nature of any government is to take and control power. To have dominion and maintain it. Our founding fathers knew this.

Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said it best when describing the government's "purposes" even when the government and the people believe it might be beneficial.

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."—Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S. (1928)

Herman Goering, Reichsmarschall of the Germany's Luftwaffe, even know how to mislead and blind an entire nation. Give them a cause, give them a fear, and then lead them to an answer given by the government. And if anyone spoke out against the absurdity of the governmental solution, they were branded as lacking patriotism.

Today anyone that has a dissenting opinion, or has a more conservative view on something, is immediately called racist, bigot, a something-phobic.

People, wake up, smell your country burning around you. Yes, that is Nero in the flames playing his fiddle!

Our rights are only taken away, when you the people, give them up. One small bit at a time.

During the Nuremberg trials Herman Goering said the following:

“Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

Of course those of you that want to ignore history, deny it happened, or brand it racist and bigoted...well the, you would have no idea who Goering was......

*** Real Pilots BEAT the air into submission! ***

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12-21-2015 12:56 PM  24 months agoPost 30
doorman

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Great Read...

Hi Michael,

No apologies for length required..
All very good points and right on target..
I hope a lot of people will read this and realize the message is true, and not racist, or bigoted ..
Thanks for sharing...

Stan

AMA 2918-Team JR, Spin Blades, East Coast Scale Helicopter,Castle Creations

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12-21-2015 01:24 PM  24 months agoPost 31
Heli_Splatter

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How can you read the spewing and invocation of Nazi leadership without calling out BS. This is not the same as gun ownership yet all the same tired old slippery slope arguments are being used.

There is an amendment providing the right to own and bear arms. No where in the constitution is there a right to drive or a right to fly. This is a pin prick among life's annoyances. Get a drivers license, register yourself to fly your UAS aircraft.

Register, fly for three years and renew.

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12-21-2015 02:22 PM  24 months agoPost 32
elmobad

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How can you read the spewing and invocation of Nazi leadership without calling out BS.
How can you hear and believe what this government is saying and not puke.
This is not the same as gun ownership yet all the same tired old slippery slope arguments are being used.
There is an amendment providing the right to own and bear arms. No where in the constitution is there a right to drive or a right to fly.
Correct, but are you that ignorant that you need a man made document to live. The constitution was drafted to keep the government under control not the people.
This is a pin prick among life's annoyances. Get a drivers license, register yourself to fly your UAS aircraft.
WAKE UP, when will you start saying NO NO NO WAKE UP
Register, fly for three years and renew.
BAAA BAAA BAAA yes master!!!

GOT FBL?

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12-21-2015 03:13 PM  24 months agoPost 33
grim.the.grim

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And the Sheeple shall be blinded!
How can you read the spewing and invocation of Nazi leadership without calling out BS. This is not the same as gun ownership yet all the same tired old slippery slope arguments are being used.
That is actually the point! And most probably missed it! The ramblings of the Nazi should have been viewed as pablum and BS, yet an entire nation followed it, BLINDLY! The Nazi leadership knew the people would, if they packaged it just right, and they were right. Each day the German people slowly gave up their rights and followed blindly until it was too late.
There is an amendment providing the right to own and bear arms. No where in the constitution is there a right to drive or a right to fly.
Here is a perfect example of what forgetting ones history can do to us; of what forgetting what our founding fathers argued so passionately about. We can not allow our modern day "leaders" to tell us what our rights are, we can not let the pundits, media, and other so called "educated ones" tell us what our rights are. We have to study and educate ourselves. Why, because they don't want us to know the truth of our rights. They want us to see our rights through their eyes, the governments eyes!

WE DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT PROTECTS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FLY...its called the 9th Amendment.

One of our founding fathers, James Wilson, argued that a bill of rights would be dangerous because enumerating any rights might imply that all those not listed were surrendered. The Constitutional committee, driven by James Madison on this point, came up with a proposed declaration and wrote the 9th amendment to read as it does today.

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

I quote the following from Cornell University Law School, I couldn't have written it any better, therefore I left it in its original form:

Aside from contending that a bill of rights was unnecessary, the Federalists responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights it would be dangerous to list some because there would be those who would seize on the absence of the omitted rights to assert that government was unrestrained as to those.

Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives. “It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution."

Justice Goldberg's opinion in Griswold v. Connecticut, a case about an infringement of the right of marital privacy was as follows: "the Ninth Amendment shows a belief of the Constitution’s authors that fundamental rights exist that are not expressly enumerated in the first eight amendments and an intent that the list of rights included there not be deemed exhaustive.”

Of course the sheeple will rely on what they hear, have been told, or rely on the media to grasp an understanding of what their rights are. They hear it, believe it, and accept it.

As for me, I will not!

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12-21-2015 05:20 PM  24 months agoPost 34
Aaron29

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I'm curious where others stand given UncleJoe's the three choice menu.

1. Register
2. Don't register
3. Register only if it's alive on the 19th of February.

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02-10-2016 02:52 AM  22 months agoPost 35
RICH.L

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I just registered this past weekend. no big deal for me I think last year I had about 12 flights for the whole year.

rich

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02-10-2016 03:17 AM  22 months agoPost 36
newbheliusr

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Nope.

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02-10-2016 06:40 AM  22 months agoPost 37
conbones

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I will die on my feet before i ever bend a knee.

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02-10-2016 10:16 AM  22 months agoPost 38
EEngineer

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Senator James Inhofe(R-OK) had legislation passed....via Sec. 336...that EXEMPTS ALL RC HOBBYISTS from any arbitrary and capricious "rule making".....PERIOD.

This exemption is currently FEDERAL LAW.....PERIOD.

If you are an RC hobbyist, you CANNOT be fined.....PERIOD.

Now, if you want to pay money for something that you don't have to pay money for....go ahead and pay....lol

FWIW

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02-10-2016 10:36 AM  22 months agoPost 39
aceisback

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If you are an RC hobbyist, you CANNOT be fined.....PERIOD.
You keep saying this, yet there are stipulations in 336 that have to be met BEFORE a pilot is exempt or an RC Aircraft IS considered a model.

Once again, what about the "Hobbyist" who DOES NOT fly within the guidelines set forth in 336 or flies FPV for that matter???

336 was written in such a way that it is not a cover all hobbyists, it has limitations that apparently you are not reading. My 12 year old grandson could even understand who was exempt and who wasn't when I asked him to read section 336 and tell me what it said.

Explain in detail HOW 336 makes ALL hobbyists exempt...

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02-10-2016 10:42 AM  22 months agoPost 40
EEngineer

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My 12 year old grandson could even understand who was exempt and who wasn't when I asked him to read section 336 and tell me what it said.
No offense....but....I'm not 12.

On the other hand, I do have legal training...lol

As a hobbyist....according to Sec. 336, I am exempt.

Try to sue me, and see what transpires.

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