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12-19-2015 04:32 PM  20 months agoPost 1
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Seems like the jokers at DJI who created this mess could be donating funds to AMA or their own lawyers to help fight the FAA? Why aren't they?
Or Hobbico? Or JR? Or Futaba?

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-19-2015 04:36 PM  20 months agoPost 2
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As long as the sheep keep buying why would they care? 98% of the people buying don't even know about the registration.

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12-19-2015 05:11 PM  20 months agoPost 3
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98% of the people buying don't even know about the registration.
Ya know, I hadn't even thought about that.

We have quite a few flyers at our field that show up once or twice a month, and that's during the summer. The modelers among us that don't hover the forums probably have no idea what just happened.

We're going to hear people exploding about this for months to come as they trickle into realization. Some might hear it for the first time come spring when they dust off their models and go to the field. I can only imagine what the field conversations will be like in spring.

People will be reacting in real time for months as they each come to their own understanding that we all have.

Unfortunately that makes for a very large, angry, but spread out response. Would have been better if everyone found out right up front. There would have been a much larger response of people calling congress.

Wonder if FAA knew that?

Let the fun begin.

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12-19-2015 05:48 PM  20 months agoPost 4
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Do you think they care? We will (except for a few) continue on with our hobby if we have to register or not!

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12-19-2015 05:56 PM  20 months agoPost 5
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Yes. I will continue, too. Doesn't mean I don't care.

As for manufacturers, why pay AMA to fight it when AMA is going to do that anyway?

As for them acting on their own, they may be reserving comment and action because bringing it to attention would hurt Christmas sales! If they act at all, it'll be after. They'd hose themselves acting now.

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12-19-2015 07:06 PM  20 months agoPost 6
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Do you think they care? We will (except for a few) continue on with our hobby if we have to register or not!
I dunno, been doing helis for over 15 years an getting kinda tired, really thinking of dumping it all and finding a new hobby that's not rc related.

One thing for sure, NOT planning on registering my name and CC number with the FAA, those morons would/WILL get hacked and everyone who registers with them will be compromised. And because they are a gov entity they will not be legally responsible for any loses.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-19-2015 08:46 PM  20 months agoPost 7
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98%
Prolly more like 99.5%.

Remember, according to the FAA, this is a drone and must be registered to comply.........................

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12-19-2015 09:30 PM  20 months agoPost 8
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That picture may be the media campaign that ultimately defeats this.

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12-19-2015 09:37 PM  20 months agoPost 9
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thinking of dumping it all and finding a new hobby
Gosh, I can only imagine how my gun collection would soar .

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12-19-2015 09:49 PM  20 months agoPost 10
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Yes. I will continue, too. Doesn't mean I don't care.
I didn't say you don't care, I implied that the manufactures don't care.

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12-19-2015 09:56 PM  20 months agoPost 11
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Dan we already have started to improve the GC too. I too have lost quite a bit of interest mainly because of limited time. And most of that limited time over the year has been spent target shooting with my wonderful wife of 34 years. She's a damn good shot too...LOL
This may push me over the edge as well.
I am 60, been doing model airplanes and such for 50 years. I ain't going on any GD govt registration for a model airplane/heli.

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12-19-2015 10:04 PM  20 months agoPost 12
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DJI who created this mess could be donating
Isn't DJI a China based company. As long as isn't affecting sales they don't care. They ship world-wide and any loss of sales to them will be very small and insignificant for years to come.
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12-19-2015 11:56 PM  20 months agoPost 13
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But it will affect sales

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-20-2015 12:59 AM  20 months agoPost 14
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Perhaps. But to what degree and would it profit them to litigate?

They'll take the bottom line approach. If loss of revenue exceeds perceived gain from litigation, they'll act. I'm sure they have done the math, though. Lawyers are expensive and they may not recoup the expense.

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12-20-2015 12:26 PM  20 months agoPost 15
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jokers at DJI who created this mess
Where do you come up with that logic?

Using such, one should also complain about Invensense for designing MEMS gyros.

DJI didn't create any mess.

What they did was to demonstrate that many people have little knowledge of the US Constitution....and will follow...like sheep....whatever these corrupt politicos "decree"....regardless of current law.

Unbelievable

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12-20-2015 03:54 PM  20 months agoPost 16
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Your an idiot EE.
DJI marketed to the masses {non RC} people their products with no regard to encouraging people to fly safe, instead encouraging them to fly in situations that were not safe for bystanders, "send us your wildest videos" crap, they could have easily installed software that would have made no fly zones airports, large cities ect... but they choose not to.

And know the non-drone hobbyist gets to pay the price for their greed and stupidity. For you to ignore that fact that they have any culpability in this just shows your stupidity.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-20-2015 04:05 PM  20 months agoPost 17
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DJI is not the problem. Just like normal ppl don't take responsibility for their actions. First off I hate multis but if one sat on a table for days or months it will do nothing wrong. Just like a gun it will never shoot someone by its self. Problem is humans that think they can do anything they damn please because we have that right to be an idiot. Common sense is gone out the window. When I was a kid if I was to do something that compromised somebody I would get an a$$ reaming from my dad and I damn sure didn't do it again. Now we encouraged doing that kind of crap.

As far as DJI losing sales crime this it will just be small. The world is a big place and the United States is just a small part of the world market

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12-20-2015 05:28 PM  20 months agoPost 18
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DJI is not the problem. Just like normal ppl don't take responsibility for their actions. First off I hate multis but if one sat on a table for days or months it will do nothing wrong. Just like a gun it will never shoot someone by its self. Problem is humans that think they can do anything they damn please because we have that right to be an idiot. Common sense is gone out the window. When I was a kid if I was to do something that compromised somebody I would get an a$$ reaming from my dad and I damn sure didn't do it again. Now we encouraged doing that kind of crap.
As far as DJI losing sales crime this it will just be small. The world is a big place and the United States is just a small part of the world market
First of all DJI is the problem. Out of the thousands of news blurbs about drones this and drones that, the one common denominator is the Phantom. The fact that any knucklehead can fly it and it requires absolutely ZERO skill or common sense makes it an issue. The gun argument is specious at best because firearms are protected under the Second Amendment, aerial appliances have no such protections.

The argument about accepting personal responsibility is right out the window. There's no such thing anymore because insurance and the sheer scope of the legal system has made that argument moot. Imagine a large octo bringing down an airliner and killing all on board with hundreds of millions of dollars of damage in the air and on the ground with ground casualties on top of the loss of life on the plane and tell me; what level of personal responsibility is going to cover that? Do you kill the family as a response? Jail all the relatives in perpetuity? If the individual at fault has no money, no family and no insurance who pays? At that point personal responsibility won't even come up because it's a myth.

Looking at the current equation of modeling, registration and the proliferation of aerial appliances; if you remove aerial appliances from the equation, modeling and registration never come up. This is like selling heroin over the counter, there's going to be a certain number of people that partake because they just can't help themselves, they have no common sense, they can't think in a forward fashion and the world revolves around them. Now substitute aerial appliances for heroin and the same applies.

For 80+ years we've slid under the radar, no issues to speak of, lots of cooperation with FAA, NTSB, DOT and government in general even to the point of having a law passed to keep model aviation safe and along come aerial appliances that dumbasses can fly and what do we have? Dumbasses flying stabilized aerial appliances in broad view of the Feds and boy did they notice. Don't y'all remember being at a FF or at the LHS and someone comes up with the same questions; how much weight can this helicopter carry? How long will it fly? Do I need a license to fly it? The paradigm at the time severely restricted camera carrying models because of two things; first you had to be able to build the machine or get someone to do it, secondly the flight skills needed to be available. These two factors are the same factors that keep a proliferation of F400's and F550's out of the sky today, building and flying skills are the chief components that maintained order. Aerial appliances erased the two biggest stumbling blocks to self policing. So the argument that it's not DJI's fault is without merit and the end result is that we all in the modeling community pay the price for DJI's freedom to sell these machines without accepting responsibility for what they are selling.

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12-20-2015 06:48 PM  20 months agoPost 19
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Some of that made no sense at all. It is not DJI's fault that 20% of the ppl that fly them are idiots. That case could be made for A lot of things that are made now days. Bottom line if if an idiot didn't use it the thing wouldn't hurt anything. A perfect example is laser pointers shining in pilots eyes. Why don't you blame the laser pointer manufacturing. If they quit making them that wouldn't happen. But oh ppl need them for good reasons too. What about 4 wheelers. They have had a lot of ppl hurt and killed on them. Why are they still making them. In fact we just had one get severely injured just the other day in my town racing down the street and hit a car. Bottom line is it is still up to ppl to use this stuff correctly and not be an idiot. That won't happen. What are you gonna do when someone does this stuff with an airplane or Heli quit making them too?

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12-20-2015 07:03 PM  20 months agoPost 20
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Yeah I could see that same thing pointed at Colt. They make AR-15's. So are they responsible for theatre shootings?

No, actually they are not.

DJI isn't at fault, idiot users are. Now did DJI enable that? Sure, but Oldmobile enabled kids to street race with the invention of the Muscle car. Doesn't mean the company takes the blame. At some point we need to hold INDIVIDUALS accountable.

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