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12-19-2015 04:38 AM  20 months agoPost 61
revmix

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looks like?
motorized frisbee [or disk kite ] with funny landing gear wheelS

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12-19-2015 01:00 PM  20 months agoPost 62
IRCHA

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FAA Admits Drone Registry will make info public

To stay on topic, I am copying what was on the previous page:

FAA Admits Drone Registry will make info public

Well, this is not very comforting:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngog...icly-available/

Everyone should take the time to seriously contact their congressman, as I am not sure any of us want to be on a public database for our models.

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12-19-2015 01:34 PM  20 months agoPost 63
1helimech

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and when you give your CC number they will have that for future use as THEY see fit, stay cautious my friends, STAY cautious !!!!

Good Day

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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12-20-2015 02:59 AM  20 months agoPost 64
John Krebs

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I'm working on my talking points for contacting my congressman.

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12-20-2015 03:46 AM  20 months agoPost 65
Arclight338

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A coversation with my AMA Regional contact,constantly stated their intent was to retain "friendly" relationship with the FAA.WTF?

This is a very slippery slope. This will hurt an already declining hobby. IRCHA,AMA etc., only exist because they are funded by their members. Fun flies,and contests only exist IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP!

I've spokem to Les Door from the FAA as well as my AMA representative. The current "rule" is an IFR- interim flight rule. Until directed by the Court, registering just to get refunded $5 is premature and,IMHO, stupid.

AMA is delusional. The NRA has upwards of 5 MILLION members and have shown their political muscle. The ruling elite have lost their cherished offices in various states after, ignoring their constituents, and acquiescing to knee jerk government restrictions. The AMA is a paper tiger. Nothing else. Their alleged " insurance coverage" is second if not third party. Coverage is easily available through various companies- check your homeowners policy and speak to your agent.

Operation of model aircraft,regulated by the FAA,makes the AMA irrelevant. I was told that they view RTF UAS SYSTEMS as the future of model aviation- because it is attractive to youth and it fosters STEM etc,etc. What a crock of S#%T. All you AMA LOVERS, that think they went to bat for you,you better review the public record. Not to mention they "want to assist the FAA-streamlining the registration process". Further I was told that PERSONAL communications with the FAA are just that PERSONAL - and was advised that IF we speak with
the FAA either via phone or email,that we dont mention our AMA affiliation. Why you ask, because they want to stay on "Friendly terms"! I'm no longer supporting the AMA.

Goblin 700,Align: Trex: 250,500,600E,700N Pro,Blitz Avro 90,Outrage 50V2

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12-20-2015 04:03 AM  20 months agoPost 66
Aaron29

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While I am clearly on record as having not approved how AMA handled the drone phenomenon, I cannot support a mass walk off that could bury our only voice. They have gone to bat for us in every other category. And they are no doubt our only voice of any power moving forward in these difficult times.

A simple change in tactics will move us forward.

As to FAA diplomacy, who knows what they've got up their sleeve. I trust they have heard us loud and clear and are looking for a solution that only diplomacy can give.

But my biggest question for you, is this: If we bury AMA, what is left for us? I'm as upset as you are, but if we bury our only voice, that is going to backfire. I do not recommend it.

I had a few concerned people PM me when I was ranting, because whether we know it or not, some people may walk off due to what they read around here. It was NEVER my intention to cause that and I've had to do a little damage control to make it clear that it's the policies that I'm strongly averse to, not the organization itself. I think we're one election away from the leadership needed. I urge you to take the same position.

Don't quit AMA or throw them under the bus. DO let your voice be heard, DO demand the change you want, and DO get involved in the politics. I read only 17% of us even voted last AMA election. I bet fewer have contacted their congress. You get the leadership you ask for. We were all lying down. Never again.

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12-20-2015 04:18 AM  20 months agoPost 67
Aaron29

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I said it in different words elsewhere, but there's a big difference between being ticked off at an org and leaving it.

I'm of the mind that you do NOT "love it or leave it" when your organization goes south on you. You call for change and reform it from within. I'm with you, we have some stupid policies. But as soon as you shred your card, you no longer have ANY clout to reform the organization. You're dead to them when you leave.

Use your membership as collateral to hold them accountable. And Vote. If after a protracted effort, this fails, then maybe you can conclude the org cannot represent you anymore.

It's way to early to jump ship. But it's past time to demand change.

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12-20-2015 04:39 AM  20 months agoPost 68
Arclight338

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Clout,pure hyperbole.Nothing else.I've been involved in Aviation for 35 years. I know how the FAA operates. On the record- listed in the Federal Registry, it is stated that the AMA, cannot and will not handle registration. It is allowing a non government agency to operate and regulate a task that is directed by the US Congress to be performed by the FAA.

Anyone questioning this premise,please GOOGLE:Federal Registry Vol.80 No.241 Part VI dated 12/16/2016. Clearly stated the AMA has no standing. So, its not a question of love it or leave it, I support them,etc,etc. IF a Federal Court supports the IFR- and you want to fly R/C and be legal- you HAVE to register.

That said,if a court rules on LAW,with no political leaning, it is because of section 336 as per the US Congress that protects against the action. If you TRULY believe this law was only the result of AMA lobbying,well love them, pay your 70 or so dollars a year and pat yourself on the back.I dont personally believe the rhetoric. The task force decided long before 12/16 what they were going to do.Registration isnt certain NOW,but look at the "clout" of the comments versus the clout of the Associations looking for what they feel is action to protect the public. READ IT, its a matter of public record.

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12-20-2015 04:47 AM  20 months agoPost 69
ICUR1-2

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dated 12/16/2016.
but it's still 12/19/2015

spending time, paying attention

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12-20-2015 05:22 AM  20 months agoPost 70
Arclight338

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The fact that you are oriented to at least the date is promising.

Again,look it up. Although the FAA has issued an IFR. The Federal Register...again: Vol. 80 No.241 Part VI 12/16/2015
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
14 cfr Parts 1,45,47 et al
REGISTRATION and MARKING requirements for small unmanned aircraft,
FINAL RULE

Unless a Judge says otherwise, its a done deal. My point,they already hired a commercial firm to handle the registration-LONG before they announced the intent.

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12-21-2015 02:29 AM  20 months agoPost 71
Uncle Joe

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I believe the question is; Will you register or not? Like many laws written over the years some are enforced other are not. Feb. 19th you'll need to pick. Don't care is you wish to argue endlessly we all have to choose.

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12-21-2015 04:16 AM  20 months agoPost 72
revmix

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r/c model/drone/sUAS capable of sustained flight, as per modelaircraft.org, so $5 is it [& beats membership cost]

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12-21-2015 01:27 PM  20 months agoPost 73
1helimech

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Revmix, 336 says we don't have to register ...I'm NOT
come and get me first ...The FAA is WAY out of line on this crap...

This tactic by the FAA will fix nothing and we ALL know it ! there HAS to more to it. I feel a boot on my neck and some government thug standing over me saying " show me your registration papers that allow you to fly that Goblin 570 here at this AMA insured flying sit" and ALL because the FAA "has" to do SOMETHING" about this Drone problem... It feels SO MUCH LIKE THE affordable care act being pushed through in a careless, not thought through action....

We ALL need to stand up as this may be an insight as to what is to come if we do not take a stand, as the song says "you've got to stand for something OR you'll fall for anything " I hear a waterfall just ahead get ready guys ....just say'n......

Good Day

PS,
Remember they "work" FOR us...stand up and be heard,YOUR freedom is slipping away one item at a time.... AND your only paying $5.00 how absurd...

PSS
I'm still praying for you revmix

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12-21-2015 02:24 PM  20 months agoPost 74
Uncle Joe

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The day is here, time to stop arguing and choose.

1. Register
2. Not to register
3. Hold out for the 19th, then register

The AMA and other have said their piece, FAA says "You Must". Free will and your own convictions are the only responsibility you have to live up too. Choose and stand you decision.

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12-21-2015 02:35 PM  20 months agoPost 75
elmobad

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Like many laws written over the years some are enforced other are not.
But the fact is still there is a real law saying we don't have to follow this law. That is a fact.

So your right Uncle, it is your choice how you handle this current situation.

I guess the problem is we keep following every "LAW" the "LEADERS" try to push on us.

Having free will and making your own decision, wont be a problem much longer!

GOT FBL?

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12-21-2015 05:29 PM  20 months agoPost 76
Aaron29

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Uncle Joe, that's a better roll call.

It would appear that #1 isn't a choice, yet, as there's no site.

But ultimately, I'm a #3. Unfortunately they'll probably have it up and running by then.

Good luck to all the folks eagerly awaiting the opening of the site like a Star Wars movie. I wouldn't hold your breath.

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12-21-2015 08:14 PM  20 months agoPost 77
1helimech

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FAA Home â–¸ Unmanned Aircraft Systems â–¸ Model Aircraft Operations

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Model aircraft operations are for hobby or recreational purposes only.
The FAA has partnered with several industry associations to promote Know Before You Fly, a campaign to educate the public about using unmanned aircraft safely and responsibly. Individuals flying for hobby or recreation are strongly encouraged to follow safety guidelines, which include:
Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of surrounding obstacles
Keep the aircraft within visual line of sight at all times
Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations
Don't fly within 5 miles of an airport unless you contact the airport and control tower before flying
Don't fly near people or stadiums
Don't fly an aircraft that weighs more than 55 lbs
Don't be careless or reckless with your unmanned aircraft – you could be fined for endangering people or other aircraft

The statutory parameters of a model aircraft operation are outlined in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012) (PDF). Individuals who fly within the scope of these parameters do not require permission to operate their UAS; any flight outside these parameters (including any non-hobby, non-recreational operation) requires FAA authorization. For example, using a UAS to take photos for your personal use is recreational; using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a non-recreational operation.

So as long as we fly by the set forth rule's for model aircraft we do not have to register.....

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12-21-2015 08:32 PM  20 months agoPost 78
don s

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Only a matter of time before this goes to the courts. Congress said the FAA couldn't promulgate any rules with respect to models, and the FAA says Congress said that the FAA can't promulgate any new rules.

I checked and the law says "any", not "any new".

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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12-21-2015 09:52 PM  20 months agoPost 79
revmix

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catch 22 shiFt; 336 does not state that no registration needed, up to the Feds at this time

aircraft registration is not new, existing rules apply to all aero gizmos,
actually model a/c Safety Code operation must be by FAR-AIM regulations, if not then violating aviation law & the same happens like the 'paperplane case',
very simple; FAA can take to court [fine] any violator of the NAS,
btw; section 336 also does not say that no one can make 'drone no fly zone'

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12-21-2015 11:57 PM  20 months agoPost 80
JeffKollin

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Sorry officer, my helicopter does not look like all the drones that they showed on the news. All the news networks are showing quads (multi rotor), so does this still mean I have to register my Trex 700?

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