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12-17-2015 09:13 PM  24 months agoPost 41
pctomlin

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I believe the AMA tried to take the right approach but the deck was stacked against them. The overwhelming majority of AMA members are traditional aircraft/helicopter fliers and my opinion unfair to be lumped in with the whole. The FAA differentiation needs to be for commercial use or the operation of advance capability models (GPS, FPV equipped etc.). It is these advanced capability models that have created these issues through irresponsible use and I believe manufactures like DJI have enabled a lot of this stupidity with no accountability. Ultimately though, these irresponsible people will still not register or place the registration number on there model.

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12-17-2015 09:19 PM  24 months agoPost 42
Aaron29

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The FAA differentiation needs to be for commercial use or the operation of advance capability models (GPS, FPV equipped etc.).
No such distinction will come. Not with current policy.

Look, I don't care about yesterday's policy failures. Water under the bridge. But I DO care about tomorrow's policy. Will the AMA regroup and protect the core membership of modelers?

I predict and hope that there is currently intense political pressure for the AMA leadership to reconsider policy.

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12-17-2015 09:53 PM  24 months agoPost 43
rudyy

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It is not really that difficult to differentiate the drones that can fly out of sight from the "drones" we heli group and the plane group are flying. I am confident that very soon the law will be revised and everything will be settled down.

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12-17-2015 10:25 PM  24 months agoPost 44
rrokman

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We don't really need AMA anymore just register your self and fly safe the jerks will get caught and get what they deserve .

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12-17-2015 10:30 PM  24 months agoPost 45
Aaron29

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If that is your viewpoint, why were you a member in the first place? You always had the right to assume your own risk. Flying around without coverage is as dangerous now as it was before. If you quit, all you've done is add liability, limit your access to fields and made it so the AMA no longer has to listen to you. You also limit their power to undo this.

Stick around.

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12-18-2015 01:45 AM  24 months agoPost 46
markwechsler

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Will IRCHA required pilots to provide proof of FAA registration at the 2016 jamboree?

Mark Wechsler

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12-18-2015 02:18 AM  24 months agoPost 47
IRCHA

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Mark,

There is no way for us to know at this point if there would be a required check. As soon as we are made aware of any requirements we will let everyone know.

My first thought is that the only current requirement is to be an AMA member. The FAA plan is a personal-governmental process, which I do not think could be extended to a requirement for event participation.

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12-18-2015 03:18 AM  24 months agoPost 48
dkshema

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I know this has been posted elsewhere, but this seems to be a Mark Ryder sticky thread. Perhaps if the info is here, more people will see it:

From the AMA, dated December 17, 2015:
Dear AMA Members,

Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.

AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."

The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been subject to in the past.

In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to AMA's petition.

While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of additional regulations. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the solution.

As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.

Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members.

In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how to do this.

Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more updates as they become available.

Kind regards,

The AMA Executive Council
Bob Brown, AMA President
Gary Fitch, AMA Executive Vice President
Andy Argenio, AMA Vice President, District I
Eric Williams, AMA Vice President, District II
Mark Radcliff, AMA Vice President, District III
Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President, District IV
Kris Dixon, AMA Vice President, District V
Randy Cameron, AMA Vice President, District VI
Tim Jesky, AMA Vice President, District VII
Mark Johnston, AMA Vice President, District VIII
Jim Tiller, AMA Vice President, District IX
Lawrence Tougas, AMA Vice President, District X
Chuck Bower, AMA Vice President, District XI

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Dave

* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

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12-18-2015 04:55 AM  24 months agoPost 49
revmix

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While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization
special interest is unlikely to happen, whatever rule equally applies to all, just like PL112-95/336, FAA policy, AC91-57A, TFR, etc

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12-18-2015 04:58 AM  24 months agoPost 50
Aaron29

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Unfortunately that's probably true.

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12-18-2015 12:05 PM  24 months agoPost 51
Uncle Joe

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As the 55mph speed limit and even today's 65-70 limits, this will be one of those laws people just won't do. Even the Harbor Freight RC models will fall in the scope of the law. Bet those parents buying for their kids will not register before the plane/heli/quad hits the air. By the way, the CA terrorist where using RC cars to deliver bombs,where's the 5 day waiting for and RC car?

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12-18-2015 03:18 PM  24 months agoPost 52
revmix

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oxymoron; As Model Aeronautics

The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators
interesting; modelaircraft.org, only plan is to save face

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12-18-2015 06:39 PM  24 months agoPost 53
Senior Heliboy

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Just thought I would add my penny worth.

Here in the UK everyone has jumped on the 'drone' bandwagon. I think, as someone has already suggested, they think 'drones' will keep the revenue coming in

Such as:

Radio Control MODELS & Electronics.
MODEL Helicopter World (before it folded).
Radio Control MODEL World.
And even the good old British MODEL Flying Association.

Does anyone see a common word in there - like MODEL!!

Can someone tell me what a drone is a model of please?

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12-18-2015 06:41 PM  24 months agoPost 54
Aaron29

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It's a model of an alien intruder coming to take over.

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12-18-2015 06:54 PM  24 months agoPost 55
revmix

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12-18-2015 10:04 PM  24 months agoPost 56
1helimech

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let me edumacate yous, Acft. under 55Lbs duh.....

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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12-19-2015 01:58 AM  24 months agoPost 57
Chris Bergen

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I didn't disagree Charles, I just think that if the IRCHA officers are going to point a finger, then let's make it perfectly clear where that is pointing.

Good thing the plankers didn't throw us under the bus huh?

Senior, are we going to now distinguish a model based on it looking LIKE something?

Please tell me what this model aircraft looks like?

Chris D. Bergen

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12-19-2015 03:04 AM  24 months agoPost 58
ICUR1-2

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Please tell me what this model aircraft looks like?

prototype of new Bergen Observer

spending time, paying attention

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12-19-2015 03:48 AM  24 months agoPost 59
revmix

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edumacate
actually model a/c is a small size replica of existing full scale [or unique r/c design] in this case same with the drone/quadcopter/multirotor

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12-19-2015 04:25 AM  24 months agoPost 60
IRCHA

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FAA Admits Drone Registry will make info public

Well, this is not very comforting:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngog...icly-available/

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