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12-15-2015 03:28 PM  22 months agoPost 1
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Dear Fellow Helicopter Pilots,

On behalf of IRCHA, I was part of a phone meeting several months ago with the AMA in order to discuss suggestions for the new drone registration that is now in effect. My original proposal from the standpoint of IRCHA was to create a primary technology threshold for the classification of a "Drone". I submitted that a "Drone" was an aircraft that required the use of a flight control system for normal operation and provided the pilot with the ability to operate the aircraft with GPS coordinates and/or mission planning software (which would also allow BLOS). A "Drone" also had the ability to return to home in the event of a loss of transmitter communication, could perform autonomous landing, and could initiate an autonomous landing if a preset battery voltage threshold was triggered. It was my thought that this technology threshold would direct registration toward multi rotor aircraft. This would have protected the hobbyist who flies airplanes and helicopters from the registration process.

The next step for all of us is to combine our efforts and contact our congressional representatives. If you agree with the technology threshold for what is a "Drone" then feel free to use any or all of what I have written above. If you have your own thoughts, then use them. The most important part is for us to contact our government representatives.

Sincerely,

Charles Anderson
IRCHA Vice President

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12-15-2015 04:39 PM  22 months agoPost 2
drdot

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Good morning...

Already on the phone with AMA and govt. Offices...vital that everyone
Get involved.

Thank you!

John.

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12-15-2015 06:23 PM  22 months agoPost 3
revmix

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this r/c-drone/sUAV fiasco started with the paperplane case
drone is just shortcut [nickname], officially model UAV & all r/c

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12-15-2015 06:38 PM  22 months agoPost 4
drdot

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Fwiw..

Two voice mails to AMA....crickets.

I cannot express my disgust.

John.

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12-15-2015 06:42 PM  22 months agoPost 5
drdot

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Fwiw..

Uging everyone in CA to call Diane Feinsteins office...She oridinally voted for the Redorm act of 2012...Tell her the FAA needs a spanking.

The reform act is law. The wording is clear...Why, AMA?...you think those drone bucks will keep you going?

John.

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12-15-2015 07:24 PM  22 months agoPost 6
sideng

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I was just discussing this issue with a fellow modeler and he said that even control line models and kids flying kites on a string have to register. I hope all you statist big government types are happy, I'm sure Orwell is turning in his grave. . .

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12-15-2015 07:31 PM  22 months agoPost 7
revmix

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self educate

kids flying kites on a string have to register
hearsay
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?

A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system.

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12-15-2015 08:07 PM  22 months agoPost 8
RM3

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...but that quad rotor that you bought at the mall for $150...guess what? you have to register that, cause if we bust your kid flying that, that little $hit is in for a $27,000 fine...Merry Christmas

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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12-15-2015 08:08 PM  22 months agoPost 9
rudyy

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Unlike drones, kites do not have any autonomous capability... whatever..

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12-15-2015 08:14 PM  22 months agoPost 10
revmix

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guess what?
don't just write, read too
Q. Do children's toys need to be registered?

A. Not if they weigh below 250 gm/0.55 lb. or less. Most "toys" the FAA has identified at a purchase price of $100 or less have been determined to weigh less than 250g.

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12-15-2015 08:15 PM  22 months agoPost 11
RM3

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...exactly...they weigh more than 1/2lb and cost more than $100...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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12-15-2015 08:29 PM  22 months agoPost 12
rudyy

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What about people with professional trained birds that can accomplish a mission?

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12-15-2015 08:56 PM  22 months agoPost 13
don s

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self educate
kids flying kites on a string have to register
hearsay
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system.
Control line counts. What's the difference between a kite and a control line model?

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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12-15-2015 10:31 PM  22 months agoPost 14
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I like this distinction!
A "Drone" also had the ability to return to home in the event of a loss of transmitter communication, could perform autonomous landing, and could initiate an autonomous landing if a preset battery voltage threshold was triggered.
What about a kite that weighs more than 5lbs?
I can't help my curiosity.

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12-16-2015 12:14 AM  22 months agoPost 15
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I submitted that a "Drone" was an aircraft that required the use of a flight control system for normal operation and provided the pilot with the ability to operate the aircraft with GPS coordinates and/or mission planning software (which would also allow BLOS). A "Drone" also had the ability to return to home in the event of a loss of transmitter communication, could perform autonomous landing, and could initiate an autonomous landing if a preset battery voltage threshold was triggered. It was my thought that this technology threshold would direct registration toward multi rotor aircraft.
Thanks allot
A drone should have been what you call a commercial use system for delivering packages or filming.
Thanks for distinguishing the hobbyist from a commercial operator.

spending time, paying attention

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12-16-2015 12:18 AM  22 months agoPost 16
ICUR1-2

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I don't think the attendance is going to be high at IRCHA next year
the way things are going

spending time, paying attention

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12-16-2015 12:54 AM  22 months agoPost 17
revmix

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What's the difference between a kite and a control line model?
kite is not a model, similar item as toy balloon

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12-16-2015 01:45 AM  22 months agoPost 18
drj9391

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Let's all hit the site on the 21st at the same time. That should drive the web set out of Cyberspace!!!

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12-16-2015 03:01 AM  22 months agoPost 19
rexxigpilot

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What's the difference between a kite and a control line model?
kite is not a model, similar item as toy balloon
You're delirious about this new regulation. You love it! Few want so much to be enslaved by government bureaucracy more than Revmix. You're unbelievable.

My thinking all along was this was inevitable. Why else did the FAA make up so many fake stories about near collisions with "drones?"

Now that the rules are here, can we stop the divisive, anti-multirotor and anti-FPV BS and join together as fellow modelers. Perhaps if we hadn't turned against each other out of fear we could have presented a united front to the FAA. We didn't. People were just looking out for their own small special interest and didn't see the whole picture. We helped the AMA fail us! Shame on us.

Indeed the regulations as written are so onerous as to regulate most kites. High performance kites are capable of flying well over 400 feet, have controls for maneuvering and weigh over 0.55lbs (250g). This is only the beginning of worse to come if we let it stand unchallenged.

The only recourse now is as others mentioned, contact your Congressman and Senators in Washington. Common sense needs to be brought to bear on this. The FAA violated the intent of Congress. I already plan to personally speak with my representatives, Congresswoman Gwen Graham and Senators Marco Rubio and Bill Nelson. If you don't even know who your elected officials are, now is the time to find out and let them know how you feel. The AMA alone is not enough to prevent further damage to our hobby. Everyone needs to get involved.

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12-16-2015 04:08 PM  22 months agoPost 20
revmix

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kite vs. model & drone or sUAS

unbelievable
meaning
Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft"
r/c
"unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links
string
and similar items are not connected to such control system.
Common sense needs to be brought to bear on this.
throwing good money after bad is waste of time & energy, lo$er practice

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