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12-16-2015 11:11 PM  22 months agoPost 81
elmobad

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so the clubs will have to require you to register. the land owners will start dropping leases for fear of being sued or held responsible
Then we will get new clubs, new land.
Done, and solved. Next....

GOT FBL?

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12-16-2015 11:40 PM  22 months agoPost 82
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2 things,
First option, don't register period. Screw em'. Or Print up some make believe numbers and place them on your aircraft,

OR option 2}Pay the five bucks, then register with a fake name.

Do not use a CC, send them a money order or cash, do not give them your personal info, it will just get stolen like the other 30 million government employees who had their info stolen.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-16-2015 11:58 PM  22 months agoPost 83
HeimD

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Then we will get new clubs, new land.
Done, and solved. Next....
Because that's so cheap and easy, right? Yeah, good luck with that.

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12-17-2015 01:39 AM  22 months agoPost 84
elmobad

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Yes it is that easy!

GOT FBL?

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12-17-2015 01:57 AM  22 months agoPost 85
revmix

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hobby clever

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no reg., save $5 & invest it into the fine

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12-17-2015 03:08 AM  22 months agoPost 86
lfalsetto

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My questions: How do we put our number on the "Drone" (term used because everything I fly must have a number on it, My number. What happens if I crash with a fly away? Am I going to get penalized? What about sanctioned fields? Are they going to have to enforce this? I have more questions that answers.

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12-17-2015 04:23 AM  22 months agoPost 87
Aaron29

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The number has to be on the model, legible, and accessible without the use of tools. For a heli, I'd personally write it on the inside of the canopy. Not on the outside. This should avoid that scary "my registration number was stolen by ISIS" scenario.

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12-17-2015 04:33 AM  22 months agoPost 88
Aaron29

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As for a flyaway crash? As I understand it, the FAA fines would not apply so long as you were registered.

HOWEVER, JUST AS IT DID BEFORE, TORT LAW ALWAYS APPLIES. You'd be on the hook for civil and criminal prosecution if that flyaway caused property damage or injury. How steep the penalties would go would depend on the case against you and your defense. If found guilty of recklessness or negligence, they'll get you for typically however deep your pockets are. Just like with anything else, TORT law always applies.

But as far as being responsible for what happens with the model...that was TECHNICALLY the case before this ruling, ya know?

Bottom line, set a good failsafe and maintain your model to avoid this!

TORT LAW, BTW, is why bad guys and reckless folks will not register. They will take the risk of not registering to ensure that model won't be traced back to them.

Or, they'll just remove the number right before doing something stupid. There is almost NO risk to being caught doing this

Which is why we're upset because us good guys will be compliant, but the bad guys will not be caught.

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12-17-2015 04:37 AM  22 months agoPost 89
Aaron29

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Finally, on the subject of fields enforcing this: For now, that's going to depend on your local club ethos. Some clubs are already demanding it. Others are leaving it to the individual, possibly turning a blind eye. I've seen club presidents posting they will and will not enforce it.

AMA has not come down with a demand policy, if that's what you're asking.

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12-17-2015 05:15 AM  22 months agoPost 90
Aaron29

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As for the thread -

We have until February 19 to fly our old models unregistered. At first, I'm going to not register, just to see if this will stand. After Feb 19, however, even with all the opposition I have been spewing about this ruling, should it still be standing on Feb 19, I will be complying.

For the record, should this ruling stand, I highly recommend not trying to defy the FAA after the deadline. They may be looking to flex some muscle. The FAA can be tolerable, or merciless. Not much in between. My full size aviation background 2c.

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12-17-2015 10:46 AM  22 months agoPost 91
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What on earth are ya'll talking about?

The FAA can't do ****....because of LAW....exempting hobbyists from these arbitrary and capricious rulings by political appointees.

Just a scare tactic by the FAA fools.

Even Rafael Pirker made a fool of the FAA...by his outrageous actions.

Is he in jail?

Why are ya'll suckering for this BS?

Why?

Again...the FAA cannot make law....in any way....that can only be done by Congress.

In addition, the FAA must follow the LAW.

If they don't, your attorney will laugh those BS FAA bastards out of court.

But don't ask the AMA to pay for it....The AMA can only do so much.

Sue me...LMAO

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12-17-2015 11:35 AM  22 months agoPost 92
HeimD

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Again...the FAA cannot make law....in any way....that can only be done by Congress.
Think again. Even though it's un-Constitutional, agencies often pull "rules" out of their asses and they effectively become de facto law without any Congressional involvement. Don't think so? Look at all the BATFE regs/restrictions on firearms that are NOT law yet you run afoul of them and get caught? Enjoy your time in a federal PMITA prison... Even worse is these "rulings" can change at any time at their whim.

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12-17-2015 02:40 PM  22 months agoPost 93
Aaron29

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Eengineer if after being warned you want to be our test guinea pig by ignoring the FAA after the deadline, by all means, go ahead.

You think your lawyer would be able to convince a non modeling jury that you were innocent because although guilty of the charges, the charges weren't congressional law? Twelve jurors and a judge that likely know drones only by what they see on TV? It'd be almost kangaroo court.

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12-17-2015 04:40 PM  22 months agoPost 94
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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would have been better if hey charged drone pilots 75 bucks for ama dues

Insha Allah made in america

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12-17-2015 04:43 PM  22 months agoPost 95
Aaron29

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That's as messed up as Obamacare, dude.

Requiring people to join a private organization is not cool.

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12-17-2015 04:53 PM  22 months agoPost 96
Aaron29

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One more thing on the thread topic:

We're in this mess because the media painted us as rogue lawbreakers. And now you want to respond by giving the finger and being a rogue lawbreaker?

Does anyone NOT see a problem with that? Walking right into the role they portrayed for us? Just what do you expect the FAA/Public response to be? You'll just prove to them that they are right and they need to hammer down on us.

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12-17-2015 04:56 PM  22 months agoPost 97
don s

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I believe that some people (and some media), if given a lineup of a quad, a helicopter, and a plank, were asked to point out the drone, they would finger the quad, the other two being a toy helicopter and toy airplane.

I've never seen my toys on TV (forget that they are Thunder Tiger and not seen anywhere, separate issue).

My dad knows what I fly and keeps wondering when I will get a "drone".

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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12-17-2015 04:58 PM  22 months agoPost 98
Russell Bear

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12-17-2015 04:58 PM  22 months agoPost 99
Aaron29

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don - at the same time, I was packing up my Logo 600 into my truck bed and my neighbor said, "Oh you have a drone?" He then began talking about drones, privacy, all the usual media BS.

I had to take a few minutes and tell him it's a stunt helicopter, has no camera, blah blah.

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12-17-2015 04:59 PM  22 months agoPost 100
Russell Bear

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