RunRyder RC
 35  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 25 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4      5     NEXT    >> ] 19475 views POST REPLY
Scorpion Power Scorpion Power
HelicopterOff Topics › Just Wondering about ######## NOT REGISTERING #########
12-15-2015 03:28 PM  22 months agoPost 41
elmobad

rrApprentice

chicago IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

+1 let's see how this plays out. Let's give the AMA a chance.

GOT FBL?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:06 PM  22 months agoPost 42
don s

rrElite Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The AMA is just a bunch of guys like the rest of us trying to do the right thing.....I think????
I hope so.
What is going to stop people from using other peoples registration #????
Don't put your number in plain site. That is allowed so long as tools aren't required to get to it.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:12 PM  22 months agoPost 43
Heli_Splatter

rrElite Veteran

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I really don't like the idea of using an AMA number. I find no reason to force everyone to join the AMA.

AMA your plan: epic fail

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:15 PM  22 months agoPost 44
jason46

rrVeteran

MI

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Congress has already passed a law stating to keep your hands off of the RC hobby industry.
I'm curious, which law is it you're referring to?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:17 PM  22 months agoPost 45
RM3

rrElite Veteran

Killeen, Texas - USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Just thought of a simple fix to this whole situation...

require that ANY sale of a multirotor (to include those cheap ones at the mall) be done with registration by the buyer....just like they do with a firearm...

the multirotor or DRONE problem will evaporate away in a month.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:20 PM  22 months agoPost 46
Aaron29

rrProfessor

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

"It's only Five bucks!"

Dudes, dudes. This isn't about 5 bucks. Hell, I'd pay 50$ just to be left off of the registration list. It's all this periphery stuff I've got my undies in a bunch over:

1. -Your CC info must be added to a government website. I worked for the military and had my personal information compromised multiple times by government employees. They are fallible people just like you and me. I don't appreciate my identity and livelihood at stake because someone compromised my information. The fact that a CC# must be given is insane.

2. -You are on a list. I don't want to take the blame for anything drone that happens in my locale. Imagine cops arriving at your door asking about an incident you had nothing to do with?!

3. -It's the principle. Government intrudes into enough in our lives. They are seriously in the business of registering a damned TOY, now?!

4. -The punishment does not fit the crime. Seriously. 27000$ for failing to register. Up to 3 years in jail/250 thousand penalties? A guy on Flying Giants said it best - these are comparable to drug and child porn penalties. For failing to register a toy?

5. -Principle again...it's knee jerk BS that does nothing to solve the root problem. Idiots aren't going to register, or aren't going to label their models, etc. etc. And criminals? They will not register, or maybe register under a false ID, probably mine or yours, putting us at risk for prosecution. Only the good will suffer.

6. -The small fee will grow. That's just how government works. Soon we'll have to register multiple aircraft, due to the possibility of your registration being stolen. It'll have to be unique to each airframe. I'm calling that RIGHT NOW for a year from now when this 5$ per pilot becomes 5$ per model.
Lets wait and see what happens in the future.
I'm not confident we'll have a ruling before February. So we're left with either complying in the interim, not complying, or not flying. All three are losing propositions. If we comply in the interim, once you put your CC information, name, and address into a database, it's there. If we don't comply, we are fugitives. No thanks. I don't have the guts to do that one. And if we don't fly until a ruling, it could be a LOOONG time before we can enjoy our hobby.

This is lose, big time. It ain't about the 5 bucks, so knock it off with that.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:30 PM  22 months agoPost 47
elmobad

rrApprentice

chicago IL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic


I really don't like the idea of using an AMA number. I find no reason to force everyone to join the AMA.
AMA your plan: epic fail
I hear what your saying but the AMA is a very UNintrusive organization.
Government ya I dont think I need to even go there...

Ok so the AMA is like a minor cough you go to the Doctor gives you a script for antibiotics your better in a few days.

The government is like going to the doc for a runny nose. To have the doctor tell you your not going to make it, you need new lungs a hart 3 yes 3 kidneys. Then charge you 100's of million to your fake obamma insurance. Then say it did not work they now need to remove your legs to find out, you only needed a kleenex.

So a benign Hobbiest run group who is not perfect but seems to try VS. A Cancerous death sentence that will revel in your pain an suffering till you don't and cant live.

Ummm ya lets see what happens with the AMA. Then if they fail then we can pass judgement.

GOT FBL?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:31 PM  22 months agoPost 48
Stephen Born

rrElite Veteran

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

...

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:32 PM  22 months agoPost 49
Aaron29

rrProfessor

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Then if they fail then we can pass judgement.
LOL. The AMA will do nothing.

Seriously I said it before I'll say it again. WE ARE ON OUR OWN. BE YOUR OWN LEADER. Sitting back letting an agency be our voice is what got us here. If we'd all been blasting our representatives' phones with our concerns over the last couple years maybe something would be different. But we sat back and let the AMA "handle" it.

Stop sitting back letting someone be your voice!!
let's see how this plays out
Lets wait and see what happens in the future.
Ummm ya lets see what happens with the AMA. Then if they fail then we can pass judgement.
Wait and see is a failing approach, gentlemen. We need to act as individuals.

What's it they say about repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results? Definition of insanity.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 04:55 PM  22 months agoPost 50
Dee Flies 3D

rrApprentice

Farmington Hls, Mich - USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Sat thru a 2 hour meeting with out AMA District rep up here. FYI - the FAA Sprung this on everyone. AMA is currently reviewing the announcement with all departments, & I can tell you the rep's language was as nasty toward the FAA as ours.

As mentioned -we all should be FLOODING our local Senate & House Rep's with calls / e-mails asking WHY they are letting the FAA go rogue like this.

It was interesting to see the actual time-lines laid out about what the FAA said they were going to do, what the didn't do & how almost all responses to their 'directives' were ignored...

REGISTRATION is the 1st step in REGULATION....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 05:17 PM  22 months agoPost 51
Aaron29

rrProfessor

USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Until the AMA starts talking about what the IRCHA thread is - redefining drones and separating us from them, I cannot put my trust in the AMA to fix this.

The AMA doesn't seem to realize that as long as they represent drones, they will get no support from lawmakers. The drones are the issue and lawmakers will not shy from regulating them.

Again, the lawmakers are fishing for the drones. In this fishing, we're dolphins caught in a tuna net. But tunas will be caught. The question is, how to get the tunas caught without hurting the dolphins?

Banning tuna fishing is not an option. That's what the AMA thinks they can do. A LOSING option.

We have to basically get a system in place that discriminates against tunas.

My 2C.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 05:30 PM  22 months agoPost 52
Russell Bear

rrApprentice

League City, Texas USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Is this true?

Citizen #705

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 05:39 PM  22 months agoPost 53
wrongler

rrProfessor

Brewerton, New York

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Steven now I know where Hobby Lobby came from

Bill Whittaker

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 05:39 PM  22 months agoPost 54
GyroFreak

rrProfessor

Orlando Florida ...28N 81W

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Another database to be hacked. Your credit card, your name, your address, all to be stolen by some hacker..

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 06:02 PM  22 months agoPost 55
don s

rrElite Veteran

Chesapeake, VA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic


Is this true?
I believe that is taken out of context, and Frank T. is referring to requirements for models greater than 55lbs. As of yesterday it would appear that they fall into the commercial paperwork realm, but he is saying that it is due to an omission, and that they fall into the AMA large scale category.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 06:08 PM  22 months agoPost 56
Russell Bear

rrApprentice

League City, Texas USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Thanks...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 06:34 PM  22 months agoPost 57
HeimD

rrVeteran

the great southwest

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

require that ANY sale of a multirotor (to include those cheap ones at the mall) be done with registration by the buyer....just like they do with a firearm...
Oh, really? FTF firearms sales are legal with NO documentation or registration of any kind. Same for a great many other stated, too. You should know better. You live in Texas, RM3.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 06:35 PM  22 months agoPost 58
HeimD

rrVeteran

the great southwest

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Your CC info must be added to a government website.
You're allowed to mail it in. Use a money order. Easy peasy. Besides, if the government actually wanted your CC info? They'd already have it anyway.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 06:42 PM  22 months agoPost 59
icanfly

rrElite Veteran

ontario

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

all that because a few kooks flew a dji Phantom near an airport inspired by the best vid of the year contest they held a few years back.

something's not right with all this as availability and rc fan base grows how can they even remotely expect compliance with so many newcomers to rc who aren't even on a website.
The small fee will grow. That's just how government works.
because they end up spending more money enforcing and tracking laws than actually getting nefarious laws to work constructively for the good of everyone.

what happened to a simple id label with sin, drivers license #, ins.#, don't those have all the id the rc toy needs? Was that not enough to trace a person, now the FAA want's in on some action? With all due respect FAA, THE PUBLIC AIN'T COMPLAINING about a plague of rc quads and similar devices causing massive public nuisances, WHY ARE YOU? ohh yeah, you believe everything you see on TV, ok, your excused, lol.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
12-15-2015 08:00 PM  22 months agoPost 60
RM3

rrElite Veteran

Killeen, Texas - USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

you should know that anytime a dealer sells a firearm, they keep a record of who bought that firearm and the serial # of the firearm in question, not to mention the background check that must be run too... when was the last time you bought a firearm from a dealer and did not have to fill out documentation?

the same should be done with drone equipment, like FPV systems and GPS guidance systems.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 25 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4      5     NEXT    >> ] 19475 views POST REPLY
Scorpion Power Scorpion Power
HelicopterOff Topics › Just Wondering about ######## NOT REGISTERING #########
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 35  Topic Subscribe

Sunday, October 22 - 1:58 am - Copyright © 2000-2017 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online