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12-15-2015 03:06 AM  22 months agoPost 21
FNFAL

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Methinks the fines are a little excessive too...typical...

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12-15-2015 03:22 AM  22 months agoPost 22
don s

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So if I play Frisbee, and don't register, am I in violation of the regulation? A Frisbee of less than 9 ounces doesn't fly very well.
Actually that came up in the Q&A section. There is no guidance system (attached or otherwise) for a frisbee, so it does not count, but a kite would count.

Also the lower weight limit is equivalent to two sticks of butter, also from the Q&A. Seriously.

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12-15-2015 03:40 AM  22 months agoPost 23
RM3

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well the whole RC plane and Heli industry has just had its life threatened with total extinction...

if you think shops were closing at an alarming rate before... wait till they start fining people... say goodbye to Fun Flys, you small mom and pop hobby store and all those other brand name helis that were hanging on by a thread...just another BS regulation that has killed off another segment of entrepreneurship and business in this country.

just not worth all the BS anymore...

I probably will not re new my AMA next year either.... just no point in it.
why pay money to an organization that has no teeth...and now the US gov has everybody's name and address thanks to the AMA, so they have a ready made list of who to go after for these fines...

just gotta get the name and addresses, wait in a car and wait for good weather..follow potential violator to fav flying site and fine the poor bastard as soon as the model leaves the ground along with everybody else there with him....do this three times a month and the agent has paid for his paycheck....

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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12-15-2015 04:38 AM  22 months agoPost 24
revmix

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capable of sustained flight

Frisbee
where is the aircraft in the disk?

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12-15-2015 04:48 AM  22 months agoPost 25
rudyy

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Why not just permanently ban the multicopters? They are obviously the root cause of the problem. I know it is unfair to some multicopter pilots who obey the rules, but I think this is the best option out of no other options.

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12-15-2015 04:51 AM  22 months agoPost 26
dkshema

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A frisbee is as capable of sustained flight as a sailplane. Neither has an inherent propulsion system and each will eventually have to land if no lift can be found.

At one time the Navy was actively working on a frisbee-based aerial weapon delivery system.

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12-15-2015 05:00 AM  22 months agoPost 27
revmix

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throwing a Frisbee a few yards does not cut it,
sailplane [being aircraft] maintains at length without interruption or weakening hence sustained flight

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12-15-2015 05:35 PM  22 months agoPost 28
whirlyspud

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"Why not just permanently ban the multicopters? They are obviously the root cause of the problem. I know it is unfair to some multicopter pilots who obey the rules, but I think this is the best option out of no other options."

Why, because to do so would be a stupid knee jerk reaction. Guess what, next week the same controllers will be in a helicopter.

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12-15-2015 05:53 PM  22 months agoPost 29
GyroFreak

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"Why not just permanently ban the multicopters?
Many helicopters and planks are significantly larger than most multirotors.
As far as I know, no one has been killed by multirotors, but several have been killed by model helicopters (flying lawnboy).
I and many others on here have been flying heli's for years and have also started using multirotors. They are all flying machines and used wrong are potentially dangerous.
Remember when some terrorist were going to arm a large plank with explosives and fly it into a US target.
Unfortunately they have become to easy to fly, which is the reason for so many incidents with multiroters.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-15-2015 08:52 PM  22 months agoPost 30
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Good luck getting a sail plane to carry a pressure cooker and sustain flight without motor

I comply just to skip a fine

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12-16-2015 07:14 PM  22 months agoPost 31
revmix

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comply
faa.gov gave a deal with 1 fee for the fleet

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12-17-2015 10:54 AM  22 months agoPost 32
EEngineer

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What?

They have absolutely no authority to make any such deal.

Unless one is an advocate of communism....LMAO

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12-17-2015 11:10 AM  22 months agoPost 33
quazar1

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utra-light aircraft do not have to register.

Ultralight aircraft and powered parachutes do not have to register with the faa or even have a pilots cert. Check this out with the faa. Part 103 of faa rules.
Why can they use the air space and we must register.

Tony

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12-18-2015 04:27 AM  22 months agoPost 34
revmix

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FAA policy & they're authorized to call the shots, like it or not

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12-18-2015 04:30 AM  22 months agoPost 35
Aaron29

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Seriously? Why are you here trollquipping? It's like you hate RC or something.

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12-18-2015 04:42 AM  22 months agoPost 36
revmix

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It's like you hate
dude, get help for yourself, now you're acting like FAA telling what to do

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12-18-2015 04:43 AM  22 months agoPost 37
Aaron29

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Yeah, we've done this. LOL /ignore

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12-18-2015 04:47 AM  22 months agoPost 38
revmix

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done deal & the reg. too

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12-18-2015 05:09 AM  22 months agoPost 39
ticedoff8

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Please stop.

You have no 2nd Amendment "right" to own a flying toy.
You have no NRA lobbyist cronies fighting for your "right" to own a flying toy.

You do not have the "right" to harm people with your toys

Take a breath.

Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear.
Fake News will be the downfall of our Republic!

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12-18-2015 11:06 AM  22 months agoPost 40
EEngineer

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I have also received the email from the AMA that says to hold off registering your aircraft.

The AMA email I received was "signed" by the entire AMA Executive Council.

Via this thread, I think the AMA heard us "loud and clear".

And that's a good thing.

But.....

Please send emails to Senator James Inhofe(R-OK)...whether you are among his constituents or not. Support his efforts for supporting our hobby...and castigate the unelected bureaucrats and that political hack Huerta(FAA Administrator) for Huerta and the FAA's "thumbing their noses" at Senator Inhofe's legislation....that is Federal Law....for the FAA's malicious and capricious encroachment into our hobby is clearly unconstitutional.

Politics in DC is a dirty business, and I feel the AMA Executive Council should take off the "kid gloves" and get "down and dirty".

The AMA, for decades, has a community presence in all 50 states...and even our territories.

If the AMA members.....150,000+ strong....spread over 50 states...via our AMA leaders...made it known...to DC....diplomatically...that......

The AMA membership will work to "endorse" political candidates that support us...and at the same time will work to defeat any and all political candidates that want to regulate us and "extort" our hard earned money....whether local, state, or federal candidates.

While our rights to develop model aviation are not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights such as in the 2nd Amendment, the AMA should adopt fighting the unelected FAA bureaucrats using the tactics of the NRA.

Our hobby and passion for our hobby is at stake....

With the AMA's STEM program, the promotion of food drives by most AMA sanctioned clubs for many years......not to mention that RC is a multi-billion dollar industry...DC bureaucrats still don't get the message.

By contacting Senator Inhofe...whether you reside in OK or not...we all can make our views clear.

You can't fight the FAA....we need to enlist the help Senator Inhofe to represent our interests....and if he helps, he should be given an AMA life membership, etc....if not, well it's time for him to "retire".

That's how the DC game is played....it stinks...but that's the way it is.

Politicians don't disregard 150,000+ voters in all 50 states.

The AMA membership can wield a big political stick in DC.

I realize that the AMA has avoided politics prior to this.

But now, given the FAA's total disregard to the federal laws of our land, our hobby's existence is now in jeopardy.

The AMA leadership must draw a "line in the sand".....to combat these feckless, unelected bureaucrats from destroying a multi-billion dollar industry.....employing 1000's of people.....and destroying the education of our youth...and our efforts to provide food for those that have encountered hard times.

If any of "youse guys" know Trump...lol....invite him to your field....give him a flight...."schmooze" him.

Trump will use this to demonstrate the fecklessness of these unelected bureaucrats that are destroying our nation....not a Trump endorsement, just that he makes the news....

When we....the AMA members....are encouraged to send emails to the FAA...it should be clear to us now....that the FAA doesn't give a "two sh1ts" about what we do.

And they will stomp on us like one would do with a cockroach....and will not even consider what they have done.

If you have the time, please contact Sen. Inhofe....again explaining to his office that the FAA....with that hack Huertas consent....has ignored the legislation that Inhofe introduced in order to prevent these violations of our model aviation "civil" liberties.

FWIW

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