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02-13-2016 09:42 PM  21 months agoPost 21
PaulBowen

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Victoria, Australia.

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Thanks payne1967.

I love the canopy designs before airbrushing became the rage. To me real helicopters have windows, even if just painted on.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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02-14-2016 03:08 AM  21 months agoPost 22
MDSCUSTOMS

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North Wales, U.K.

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I think flybars still very much have their place in this hobby especially when first starting out, one less bit of electronics to worry about setting up when you should be enjoying flying.

Flybarless definitely has it's place in scale birds and I build quite a few of those now.

The first machine that I ever flew though was as a 13 yr old kid back in 1976, A Micro-mold Lark. It wasn't mine but belonged to a good friend of my Father who also knew I was into RC Models even way back then.

I have a few flybarless machines now - all scale but the conversion has only happened within the last 3 yrs. I am not using any FBL boxes on them either, just a tail gyro.

My latest machine bought on 25/11/15 is a Micro-Mold Lark - Yes I finally own now - I have fully restored it to flying condition and I am looking forwards to reliving my childhood days when I first flew one of these. It still has the flybar although I know it can be converted to flybarless. I will be keeping it as per the original model for now.

Mark

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02-14-2016 03:54 AM  21 months agoPost 23
BeltFedBrowning

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I am not using any FBL
Much respect for that! I am also reliving my youth with my first heli. I started helis in 1993 with the Eco8. I have been having a blast with not only the flybarred Eco8, but I am flying it with a 10 cell NiMh battery. I am using a Logo 400 main gear with a custom made gear hub to run 1100 RPM head speed. Lots of fun to be had now that I am older and wiser and richer.

perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim

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02-15-2016 03:48 AM  21 months agoPost 24
MDSCUSTOMS

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Nice to see someone else appreciating low headspeed rpms - High speed rpms are not really necessary unless you are into all the fancy 3D stuff.

For normal flying, low speed is great and your flying time is extended (both on electric or Nitro) That to me is the biggest bonus. I still fly nitro out of choice, come the day when battery packs come with decent flight times, then I might change.

I am more likely to go petrol or turbines before that happens lol.

Mark

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02-15-2016 01:14 PM  21 months agoPost 25
BeltFedBrowning

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My flight timer is set at 16 minutes. It is good duration, but I wish it was twice as long!

perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim

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05-05-2016 04:31 AM  18 months agoPost 26
Gearhead

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keep the bar !!

I'm with you guys on this one, I love the FB system, it may be a simple bellcrank system but never the less I find it very interesting and I will not go to FBL, FBL takes a bit away from the hobby,

I have also stopped using a governor on my 600 size glow hels, I don't feel the governors have helped me become a better pilot. besides LOL, I could fly smooth before I used governors, and I know how to setup a good pitch and throttle curve

keep the bar !!

Jim
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08-08-2016 05:47 PM  15 months agoPost 27
BK479

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+1 on FB they fly great and no hassle or worries on setup unlike fbl it's just to aggravating to me trying to set one up

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08-10-2016 03:27 AM  15 months agoPost 28
myjane

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Flybar

I see new flyers turn up at the field , just brought a flash flybar less 600 and want to learn to fly , totally the wrong heli to learn with ,and as for the machanics lesson , it just screws there heads up , not to mention the flybar less systems , and they never progress well , the old flybar heli is much more forgiving to control for beginners to start with , I have all flybar helis except one of a fleet of 450s is flybar less and it's a learning curve , the mongoose is still flybar , all my 90 heli same iam all for flybar

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08-23-2017 09:56 PM  86 days agoPost 29
Jim-bob

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Keeping this thread going. I have 5 flybar heli's. Something definitely was lost from the hobby for me with everyone going to flybarless. I gave electric and flybarless a good honest try but the fun just wasn't there. Glad I didn't sell my flybar machines.

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08-23-2017 10:19 PM  86 days agoPost 30
BeltFedBrowning

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I agree that something is lost with FBL. I remember when FBL first came out and a few of the veteran fliers were calling it the end of the hobby. I think they were right!
I have 11 flybarred helis. I would never trust a FBL gyro to stabilize my Mongoose. I tried to use a governor and got rid of it because it just complicated things. It is really easy to set up a curve.

I have my old Ikarus Eco8 running on 10 Nimh cells and it is flybarred. I have more fun with that heli than probably any of my others. It is so simple and the battery is never removed from the heli. I charge it in the heli and fly till the batteries are so dead that the headspeed is too low to keep it in the air. Recharge and do it again. Flies 17 minutes on a charge.

perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim

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08-24-2017 12:03 PM  86 days agoPost 31
PaulBowen

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I now believe the hobby has now split into two distinct themes.

3d. The very vocal ego driven minority flown mainly by people who just want performance and manoeuvrability. They demand the latest and greatest, requiring extreme simplicity of design. The flying evokes no comparison to full size helicopter flight. To me they are generally not interested in full size helicopters, for them its just an exciting hobby thats cooler than RC cars. I truly believe they would be happy with almost any object as long as it performed as they required. Anyone for some drone racing? This is the market for which our more recent particularly bland and charmless helicopters have been created for.

Then there is the rest of us. The silent majority. We have grown up in model and sometimes if lucky full size aviation. We have a natural fascination for anything that flies. I think most of us also have a fascination for anything mechanical and complex, the true art and science of helicopter flight. For me doing hovering manoeuvres with a flybar helicopter never growns boring. Glow engines and flybars really make me happy and I never tire of the wonder that comes with them. I do believe we have become just like train set crowd, small, dedicated and slowly ageing.

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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08-24-2017 10:54 PM  85 days agoPost 32
payne1967

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very well written

I fly quite a few scale helicopters all with fly bars
95% of my pod and boom helicopters have fly bars

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08-24-2017 11:40 PM  85 days agoPost 33
Jim-bob

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I agree. The mechanical aspect is as important to me as flying. Trying to make the machine and setup as perfect as possible. And adding as much "bling" as I can stand to make my machine unique. Spending hours with a dial indicator. That's fun to me.

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08-25-2017 12:13 AM  85 days agoPost 34
rcheli808

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Mililani,Hi-USA

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I am into Scale Models and the FB setup works for me. In my opinion, this setup is closer in reproducing the control feel of the real helicopters that I use to fly in the Army Guard.But if I was into 3D flying,the FBL system would probably be the way to go. Though I did end up using a FBL system in a multibladed scale. This was a must to do because it was not fun trying to wrestle the heli for the whole flight.

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08-25-2017 12:51 AM  85 days agoPost 35
grimthenoble

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Don't need to zone anything out, I have an interest in all RC. That's why I have a small fortune in RC's

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08-25-2017 01:10 AM  85 days agoPost 36
mike123

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Brandon MS

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Don't need to zone anything out, I have an interest in all RC. That's why I have a small fortune in RC's
I'm with you it's all good.

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08-26-2017 01:53 AM  84 days agoPost 37
Jim-bob

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Not "zoning" anything out. This thread is to promote the flybar. Sad to say most flybar heli's are not offered anymore. But there are some that prefer them over what is available today. Not a "one is better than the other" type of thing, just what some of us prefer. Try one. You may like it.

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08-26-2017 10:01 AM  84 days agoPost 38
PaulBowen

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Luckily Hirobo still produce flybar helicopters and parts and in my opinion they are the best (Hirobo flybar heads).

Futaba T18SZ, JR Propo XG14, Hirobo fanatic!

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08-27-2017 06:48 PM  82 days agoPost 39
oballzz

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So tru!!I like also JR head design.And yes we are like the train set crowd!

Music is probably the only real magic I have encountered in my life,it's pure and it's real,it moves,it heals..TP

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08-29-2017 02:17 AM  81 days agoPost 40
wjvail

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Meridian,​Mississippi

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I now believe the hobby has now split into two distinct themes.
3d. The very vocal ego driven minority flown mainly by people who just want performance and maneuverability. They demand the latest and greatest, requiring extreme simplicity of design. The flying evokes no comparison to full size helicopter flight. To me they are generally not interested in full size helicopters, for them its just an exciting hobby that's cooler than RC cars. I truly believe they would be happy with almost any object as long as it performed as they required. Anyone for some drone racing? This is the market for which our more recent particularly bland and charmless helicopters have been created for.

Then there is the rest of us. The silent majority. We have grown up in model and sometimes if lucky full size aviation. We have a natural fascination for anything that flies. I think most of us also have a fascination for anything mechanical and complex, the true art and science of helicopter flight. For me doing hovering maneuvers with a flybar helicopter never grows boring. Glow engines and flybars really make me happy and I never tire of the wonder that comes with them. I do believe we have become just like train set crowd, small, dedicated and slowly ageing.
Really brilliant. We have been the silent majority.

I was here before the fame and will be here after the lights dim. I was fascinated with flight from the beginning. I've flown models a long time. Long enough to remember a time before everyone was a rep. I've been in this long enough to remember a time when the simple quality and beauty of a model was enough. Yes performance meant something but looks counted too.

Anyway. Time moves on. I was here back then. I'm here now. I will be here tomorrow. The chaos spins around me. I pick and choose the bits to hold.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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