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12-15-2015 12:35 AM  24 months agoPost 141
Aaron29

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So with these new rules.....whats to stop someone from putting a bougus number and flying it into a dangerous situation.....the numbers will only be used if its in trouble....so put omeone elses name number on it.....nothing solved with the new rules....just a way to tax us for flying.
This is exactly what a bad person with ill intent would do. Especially when all you have to do is go to your local field, and take a few N- numbers.

Then the feds would go after an innocent man for no crime. Or at least be well off the trail of the bad guy.

And a reckless twit would probably either not register or do the same.

Make no mistake. This law will do NOTHING to promote actual safety. A Tax. Nothing more.

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12-15-2015 12:38 AM  24 months agoPost 142
ssmith512

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Make no mistake. This law will do NOTHING to promote actual safety. A Tax. Nothing more.
My thoughts as well.

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12-15-2015 12:40 AM  24 months agoPost 143
HeliOCD

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"I'll give them my 5 dollars when they pry it from my cold, dead hands"

Its all earth!

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12-15-2015 12:48 AM  24 months agoPost 144
Aaron29

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If someone can so easily counterfeit a registration with someone else's, doesn't that make this entire law unenforceable?

And doesn't the enforceability of a law determine whether it can stand?

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12-15-2015 12:55 AM  24 months agoPost 145
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And going with that....doesn't that mean it's inevitable that registering as a pilot will eventually have to become registering each individual aircraft?

The first guy who is wrongly accused and this will be the "solution" proposed by the FAA. I guarantee it. Like this, it'll start out small.

The frog is boiled slow. Can you say - government gets its foot in the door and then larger and larger regulation creeps in? Say it with me twice:

Problem - Solution - Problem - Solution.

This is the marching song of bureaucracy. As long as a problem exists there will always be a (costly) solution.

I submit to you that solving the problem isn't even the actual goal. It's revenue. Government has no incentive to solve the problem. It would cut off the revenue supply.

I think we're screwed.

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12-15-2015 01:12 AM  24 months agoPost 146
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Additionally - the FAA fines are outlandish for the crime.

NO ONE would accept such fines imposed on failing to register a car. Hell, you don't even have those sorts of fines for driving without insurance.

Ya know, the cars causing tens of thousands of deaths every year? Models haven't near the impact vehicles do. What justification for such steep fines exists? NONE!

This is overreach.

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12-15-2015 01:50 AM  24 months agoPost 147
dkshema

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ICUR1-2...You live in Canada. This doesn't affect you.

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12-15-2015 02:13 AM  24 months agoPost 148
ICUR1-2

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Not yet, but Canada follows it's big brother US.
If you guys allow it there is a good chance they will try same here.

Look at marijuana some states legalized it and now our government is going to sell it through the government controlled liquor stores in Ontario.

Something that wouldn't have happened otherwise because our politicians are afraid of yours ?

the excuse our old government was using was it's illegal in the states and we don't our borders closed

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12-15-2015 03:06 AM  24 months agoPost 149
TMoore

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It's lawsuit time. Everyone of us should stay on the AMA's backside to get this done. This is what we pay dues for. It is their function to represent us. I plan on sitting in my office next week and phoning everyone I know at the AMA to express my concerns. I've already written my Congressman and have requested a tête-à-tête meeting with her or her representatives. Call, email, text, get on the forums and make sure the AMA knows where you stand. This is a direct contravention of the H.R.658 - FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012.

Reference this website: https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-...-bill/658/text in your communication to your representatives. Find out who supported the bill in your state and explain it to them in real terms that if they voted to confirm how the FAA has usurped the law making powers of their body and they should understand. If they didn't vote for it appeal to their better nature as legislators in your letter and reiterate how the FAA is usurping their power to make law.

Here is another website with the actual law: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-1...112hrpt381.pdf

We can build on this and make the FAA understand that we aren't the problem. Everyone of the manufacturers that make stabilized Multirotor aerial appliances is part of the problem and they need to let us off the hook by taking responsibility for this mess.

As so many have noticed registration solves nothing, the problem will still exist and the folks that were causing the problems will not register and keep on causing problems for all of us.

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12-15-2015 03:13 AM  24 months agoPost 150
dkshema

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Looking back at Public Law 112-95, February 14, 2014, section 336, I see what appears to indicate that the FAA has clearly violated the law.

Yes, they have their own "interpretation" of what an aircraft IS, but so does Public Law 112-95...

In section 336 c, there are THREE items that constitute the definition of Model aircraft:

it is an unmanned aircraft that is --

1. Capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;
2. flown within the visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; AND
3. flown for Hobby or Recreational Purposes.

It would seem that no matter HOW the FAA interprets "aircraft", they can't get around the definition as laid out in 112-95 336 c.

Further, the law actually prohibits the FAA from making rules or regulations regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft -- if "the model is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use."

The bureaucracy is purposely ignoring the law. But that doesn't really surprise me, as this administration appears to ignore laws on a daily basis.

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12-15-2015 03:29 AM  24 months agoPost 151
Aaron29

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A look at AMA website. Lots of comments that basically say "u better fix this or I'm not renewing." And quite a few saying we were sold out for drone money.

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12-15-2015 03:43 AM  24 months agoPost 152
dkshema

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Blaming the AMA is pointless, childish, and plain ignorant. We (they) are outgunned by a bureaucracy that is out of control

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12-15-2015 03:45 AM  24 months agoPost 153
Aaron29

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You're free to that opinion. But the magazine articles and lack of a proper response from them speak to the AMA trying to play both sides.

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12-15-2015 04:24 AM  24 months agoPost 154
TMoore

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I'm not blaming the AMA, they are outnumbered and the FAA wasn't going to listen. The fault is clearly with manufacturers like DJI and a few others that are flooding the market with too easy to fly aerial appliances. What we need to do now is to get the AMA to start doing their jobs and get legal action going.

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12-15-2015 04:29 AM  24 months agoPost 155
ICUR1-2

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From what I can forecast, If the FAA wins, say good bye to ircha and funflies and the AMA because nobody will be registered and those that are will be seen as traitors or as the sheep that gave in.
and those that aren't registered won't be attending so as to be recognised as a potential criminal.
We all know the FAA is going after the wrong crowd.

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12-15-2015 04:30 AM  24 months agoPost 156
Aaron29

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We can pressure AMA to act but honestly if y'all think AMA is going to heel face turn on drones for our sake you don't get it.

It's time to stop following and start leading. Call your reps. Relying on representation instead of acting for ourselves is what got us here. No one "has our back." We're on our own.

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12-15-2015 04:33 AM  24 months agoPost 157
TMoore

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One of the issues I have is having to establish my identity with a CC. Not happening.

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12-15-2015 04:55 AM  24 months agoPost 158
revmix

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5bucks

hobbyist uprising

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12-15-2015 05:10 AM  24 months agoPost 159
drdot

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Fwiw..

I was at the AMA show a couple years ago, Rich Hanson of the AMA put on a dog and pony with the FAA having reps there to "understand our concerns about what then was an issue of enforcement of advisory part 191...
I don't know much, but I am good at reading body language...The FAA bureaucrats attending the showw were bored to tears and were absolutely disinterested in any comments made....
Fast forward...Ol' Rich gonna be out of a job soon.....AMA membership will plummet.

John.

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12-15-2015 05:14 AM  24 months agoPost 160
TMoore

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5bucks
hobbyist uprising
Instead of "Key Veteran" maybe Mark should add Kibitzer to the Member Status list.

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