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12-14-2015 10:56 PM  20 months agoPost 121
gologo

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GFYS
Yup!!! That includes AMA!

This **** that has oozed out of the FAA may not be that bad to deal with...
.......right now. Sounds 'simple'. BUT, as Aaron and others have said, it
AINT gonna stay like this, is ONLY the beginning now that they have the foot in the door. And I like that term..."quadiots", perfect.

For those that keep saying we were to 'embrace' the quadders, like we wanted the plankers to embrace us, Ummm, we never ended up getting the
plankers to have to register their aircraft,,,,ever!

I think the FPV racing is cool, and it seems to be destined to be a part of
many heli events now. And quads at the club level is just fine. But all the
quadiots out there that have screwed us over w. this, are IMO, very short
termers........they get into this, act very stupid, and then will eventually move on to their next whatever. They will care less about what
they left behind for us!!

And yes, I would shred my AMA card too, if they did not have such total control of clubs and funfly events. At the moment, w/o that card, your ability to fly is very limited, unless you personally have a lot of land
or know someone with such.

Not a bit thrilled w. AMA right now either!

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12-14-2015 10:57 PM  20 months agoPost 122
cdrking

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This is absolutely asinine. Unfortunately I foresee clubs having to insist on compliance for legal reasons.

Stay tuned for the "radio control cops" to show up at a field near you.

Ridiculous!

Jeff

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12-14-2015 10:57 PM  20 months agoPost 123
ICUR1-2

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if AMA won't or can't do anything don't renew this year.

We don't need AMA or MAAC to fly with friends.

I have been doing fine with out clubs or MAAC all I need are my buddies

spending time, paying attention

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12-14-2015 11:05 PM  20 months agoPost 124
Aaron29

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Well, let's contact some representatives that CAN do something. And I don't mean AMA. Contact your senate/house/local. Someone. Because whining here and resolving to quit the AMA will not move us forward. Only an injunction can.

No one's working for us. Time to work for ourselves.

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12-14-2015 11:08 PM  20 months agoPost 125
revmix

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That includes
your edit too

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12-14-2015 11:09 PM  20 months agoPost 126
gologo

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As mentioned, what happened to that congressional 'order' that was to have
the FAA exempt model aircraft?? Isn't congress supposed to be the more
powerful of the two?

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12-14-2015 11:11 PM  20 months agoPost 127
Aaron29

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gologo -

The law of our land is that all law must originate in representative legislative bodies.

The FAA is governing outside of representation. The only representative body -congress - has ruled on this. They ruled on this in the form of Section 336. The FAA is operating WELL outside the constitution on this one. The FAA is considering itself a lawmaking body - but without representation, it can legally do no such thing.

This is illegal. Plain and simple.

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12-14-2015 11:13 PM  20 months agoPost 128
revmix

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FAA is operating
only policy change & not lawmaking

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12-14-2015 11:15 PM  20 months agoPost 129
gologo

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your edit too
Yeah, I edited ya, but still think you somehow a part of this, and if not,
you are certainly enjoying the heck out of it all! And all of these senseless one-liners you keep spewing???

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12-14-2015 11:15 PM  20 months agoPost 130
Aaron29

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only policy change & not rulemaking
I'm certain that when a "policy" is enforced by fines and imprisonment it is in legislative territory.

Your doublespeak is unappreciated.

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12-14-2015 11:18 PM  20 months agoPost 131
revmix

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one-liners
less is more, no need to get too serious about hobby toy

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12-14-2015 11:19 PM  20 months agoPost 132
Aaron29

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OK if these toys are so unimportant why have you spent the last hour posting in a forum about them?

You're either a hobbyist yourself, or a troll.

We're here because this is our hobby. You're darn right we take it seriously.

So, why are you here? To troll?

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12-14-2015 11:23 PM  20 months agoPost 133
Aaron29

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nm I already know the answer and how to fix this.

/ignore

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12-14-2015 11:23 PM  20 months agoPost 134
revmix

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registered member & act by RR policy

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12-15-2015 12:08 AM  20 months agoPost 135
jharkin

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The law of our land is that all law must originate in representative legislative bodies.

The FAA is governing outside of representation. The only representative body -congress - has ruled on this. They ruled on this in the form of Section 336. The FAA is operating WELL outside the constitution on this one. The FAA is considering itself a lawmaking body - but without representation, it can legally do no such thing.
The acts of congress that establish agencies such as the FAA grant them prescribed judicial and executive powers to enact and enforce regulation. Any regulation enacted within those limits prescribed by congress carries the same legal standing as an act of congress.

If a legal challenge is brought against this on the basis of sec. 366 and the challenge is upheld by the courts then they will have to stop. If the courts find that the FAA is acting within their charter and this does not violate 366 then it will stand and has the same legal standing as any other law.

At this point you will have to wait and see what develops, or if you feel so strongly about it put your money where your mouth is, hire an attorney and sue the government.

-Jeremy
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12-15-2015 12:15 AM  20 months agoPost 136
HeliDinoRC

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It would be nice to read an attorney's thoughts on this. Any atty's here on RR? Realizing, though, that they couldn't give a legal opinion on this through a forum.

Fail to Plan.....Plan to Fail
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12-15-2015 12:16 AM  20 months agoPost 137
artimus

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So with these new rules.....whats to stop someone from putting a bougus number and flying it into a dangerous situation.....the numbers will only be used if its in trouble....so put omeone elses name number on it.....nothing solved with the new rules....just a way to tax us for flying.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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12-15-2015 12:19 AM  20 months agoPost 138
Gary Jenkins

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Remember, George Orwell's book 1984.

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12-15-2015 12:20 AM  20 months agoPost 139
Aaron29

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Any regulation enacted within those limits prescribed by congress
They directly contradicted Congress by maneuvering around Sec 336.

Hence - illegal

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12-15-2015 12:28 AM  20 months agoPost 140
Heli_Splatter

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From the ruling issued today regarding 336;

The FAA disagrees with the comments asserting that the registration of model aircraft is prohibited by section 336 of Public Law 112-95. While section 336 bars the FAA from promulgating new rules or regulations that apply only to model aircraft, the prohibition against future rulemaking is not a complete bar on rulemaking and does not exempt model aircraft from complying with existing statutory and regulatory requirements. As previously addressed, Public Law 112-95 identifies model aircraft as aircraft and as such, the existing statutory aircraft registration requirements implemented by part 47 apply. This action simply provides a burden-relieving alternative that sUAS owners may use for aircraft registration.

Model aircraft operated under section 336 as well as other small unmanned aircraft are not required to use the provisions of part 48. Owners of such aircraft have the option to comply with the existing requirements in part 47 that govern aircraft registration or may opt to use the new streamlined, web-based system in part 48.

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