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11-23-2015 01:54 AM  22 months agoPost 1
AaronBmore

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I just got my break in done on the OS 50 hyper in my 600n pro.
I just hooked up the Aerospire Multigov governor. when I am in flight mode 1 it works fine, FM 2 and 3 lower the head speed. The setting in the multigov are correct as far as I know for the gear ratio for a 600n. 170 tooth main gear over 20 tooth pinion is 8.5 which is what is programmed in the multigov. My head speed programming is FM2 1700rpm and FM3 1800rpm. When in FM1 doing normal forward flight head speed is great although I don't know what rpm. once in FM2 or3 the motor goes down to somewhere around half throttle. again I don't know what the head speed is, but it is low enough to make response sluggish. What should I do, change the ratio programming? up the head speed target programming for FM2 and 3? I didn't think that the head speed should be more than 2000.

Another problem I seem to have is that when hovering rudder is trimmed so no left or right movement, but when in FFF it wants to turn. can't remember which way it turns but if I trim the rudder in FFF then when hovering it wants to piro with no rudder input... GY401 gyro. I am thinking about stealing a gy601 from a raptor 50 with a blown motor atm

Love this bird so far can't wait to get it dialed in.

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11-23-2015 02:42 AM  22 months agoPost 2
AWittleWabbit

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I can't help with the mulitgov but maybe with the rudder.

How did you trim the tail? Did you trim it in rate mode using the tail linkage? We don't use sub trim! I'm assuming you fly in heading hold correct?

If you fly in heading hold and you adjusted the tail in rate mode see if you have any mixes or trims by accident in any of your flight modes.

If you fly in rate mode, have you played with revolution mixing on your xmitter?

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11-23-2015 03:05 AM  22 months agoPost 3
Kevin Dalrymple

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Check the magnet pick up with the display. It should show just one and not two. Also set you rpm in fm 1 to 1750. Set fm2 to 1900 and fm3 to 2000 - 2050.

It sounds like your normal mode is right, but since your head speed is so low in 2 and 3 the throttle gets cut. If the gov is picking up the magnets correctly the higher head speed should fix your concern.

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11-23-2015 04:07 AM  22 months agoPost 4
dkshema

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Help for your GY401. Very detailed. It assumes you are using Channel 5 of your TX to control gain. It was written quite awhile ago, and your radio might be using Channel 7. Whichever channel that you are using, the rest of the instructions are the same.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/p6073752/

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1700/1800 RPM for this heli is quite low. If you can get up to around 2000 it will be much happier.

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A properly installed and set up 401 will work quite well in the 600N.

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What transmitter and receiver are you using?

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11-23-2015 12:31 PM  22 months agoPost 5
AaronBmore

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I have Spektrum dx9 and 7ch spektrum rx.

I dont WANT to break it!

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11-29-2015 04:28 PM  22 months agoPost 6
AaronBmore

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Ok so i think i have it dialed in. Ended up putting 2200 as my FM3 and 2000 for FM2. 1700 for FM1. I may increase FM1 to 18 or 1900.

Now i have to gyro tuned in rate and holds well in HH. Learned that i have to decrease gain as the head speed increases so I changed the gain switch to my FM switch so they both cooperate.

New question now tho, The heli is trimmed flying upright. As i hover inverted it isnt. I have to give left ail input to stay stable. Sounds tricky but looking forward to tuning this bug out of it.

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11-29-2015 04:43 PM  22 months agoPost 7
don s

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Lateral CG may be off...

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11-29-2015 08:58 PM  22 months agoPost 8
AaronBmore

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Any thread on tuning lateral cg that you know of?

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12-06-2015 04:04 PM  21 months agoPost 9
AaronBmore

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New question

So i still haven't solved the inverted flight trimming issues but I'll ignore that for the time being,

My TX is DX9. RX is 7ch spektrum ar7200 or something.
My new question is; What is the best way to tame down my collective. I have +/-15 degrees. This seems to bog my motor. I have reduced my pitch curve in tx down to 15 to 85 but didn't really reduce my pitch.

I tried playing with my swashplate settings. It is (ail -60) (ele -60) (pitch +60).
If i bring them 5 to 10 closer to zero it doesnt seem to do anything either.

Hoping someone out there has some experience with this radio

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12-06-2015 07:53 PM  21 months agoPost 10
dkshema

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My new question is; What is the best way to tame down my collective. I have +/-15 degrees. This seems to bog my motor. I have reduced my pitch curve in tx down to 15 to 85 but didn't really reduce my pitch.

I tried playing with my swashplate settings. It is (ail -60) (ele -60) (pitch +60).
If i bring them 5 to 10 closer to zero it doesn't seem to do anything either.
I assume you own a pitch gauge.

Trex 600N with a flybar and CCPM swashplate control.

Go back through a complete set up of the head. Set your servo sub-trims back to zero, set any trim back to zero. The SWASH MIX settings you have (60% for all three numbers is pretty much the default setting your TX goes to for SWASH MIX.)

If you can, move the push/pull links on the three servos inward one hole if possible.

Set all of your pitch curves so they are back at a default 0 to 100, straight line, as you would with a fresh model setup. aileron, elevator, and pitch end points set to 100%

Set the Normal mode pitch curve to 0 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 100. You'll get a big flat spot in the pitch curve.

This flat spot represents the place where all servos should be centered (allows you to get the servo horns/arms set-up correctly (using sub-trim),

the swashplate centered in its up/down travel, and level (adjusting the swash support links),

all mixing arms on the head horizontal, and to set the collective pitch at zero degrees with the collective stick centered (short links between the mixing lever and blade grips).

As long as collective is anywhere inside the big flat spot, you'll be able to achieve the proper setup stated above.

After you get all that done --

when you move the stick to full negative collective, and full positive collective, you get to see the overall +/- pitch range, and it should be very close to being symmetrical (same amount of positive as you have negative).

If the swashplate is level at zero degrees, but tilts at either full negative or positive pitch, adjust the endpoint of the channel associated with the servo that's traveled too far, or not enough, so that you end up with a level swashplate at mid stick, and at full positive and negative collective.

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Do all the stuff listed above.

When you check the full negative and positive pitch range, to get the overall range you're looking for, adjust the PITCH value in the SWASH MIX menu. Thee PITCH number will set the overall pitch range you get. This is where you'd tone down the +/-15 degrees of overall pitch by making the PITCH number smaller, closer to zero.

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Use the AILERON and ELEVATOR numbers in the SWASH MIX menu to set 8 degrees of cyclic pitch range.

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Now that you have properly set up the head and servo mechanical stuff, limited full pitch range to the number you're looking for (probably +/- 11 or 12 degrees), and that you have set the cyclic pitch to 8 degrees, you can eliminate the big flat spot in the pitch curve, then USE your pitch gauge to re-set the pitch curves you desire for Normal mode, and the idle-up modes.

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Proper setup as described above may also solve your inverted/upright trim problem

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Enjoy.

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12-06-2015 10:04 PM  21 months agoPost 11
jason46

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There are a couple spartan quarks on eBay, that will solve your tail problems.

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12-08-2015 02:15 AM  21 months agoPost 12
AaronBmore

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Dave, thank you thank you thank you. The detail in your directions is impecable. I've been flying for a while now so i like to get into aggressive 3D stuff. Will 8 degrees cyclic be enough to really whip it around? A friend of mine that used to be a sponsored pilot for Thunder Tiger mentioned he likes to fly with 13 degrees collective.

Is it that this particular heli does better with less pitch?

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12-08-2015 02:19 AM  21 months agoPost 13
AaronBmore

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Also i found the cause for another issue i was having by setting up the head properly. I had a blade 400 and found something called the "blade 400 bible" somewhere online, I could use the same thing for this heli.
Thanks again Dave you are the man.

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12-08-2015 02:41 AM  21 months agoPost 14
dkshema

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Not 8 degrees of COLLECTIVE. Eight degrees of CYCLIC. There is a difference

I had recommended 11 to 12 degrees of collective.

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12-09-2015 12:45 AM  21 months agoPost 15
AaronBmore

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I know the difference between cyclic and collective. I was asking two questions at once. Is 13 collective and 10 cyclic too much for a OS 50 hyper to keep up with. I wasn't sure if you were giving me a beginners head setup or what works best for this heli.

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12-09-2015 01:05 AM  21 months agoPost 16
dkshema

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It's not so much can the OS50 handle 13 degrees of collective and 10 degrees of cyclic, as it is do those numbers even make sense.

I recall reading once upon a time that when the blade of our helis exceeds about 17 degrees pitch, the darn thing simply stalls and becomes pretty much useless.

The sum of the two at any given moment can exceed that limit.

OS50 at 13 degrees of pitch and an available 10 degrees of cyclic? That is asking quite a bit from a 50.

Go ahead and pick the numbers you believe will work, and give them a shot. The worst you can come up with is a heli that flies like crap and bogs the head.

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12-09-2015 02:29 AM  21 months agoPost 17
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Or better stick management will help with bogging too

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01-29-2016 03:38 AM  20 months agoPost 18
AaronBmore

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A couple of more questions

So now my dumb self deleted my trex 600 profile in my tx. I took the oportunity to relevel the swash and recheck pitches at various stick positions. Long story short,

Once i leveled the swash using subtrim and getting +-11-12deg collective i cant get exactly even elevator pitches or aileron pitches. Ele up 6deg ele down 8deg and similar with ails.

Changing endpoints seems to unlevel the swash with no right stick input.

Also i noticed that with throttle at exactly 50% I'm getting +1 deg. But getting even +-11 at full throws.(my curve is linear 0-100)

Scratching my head....

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01-29-2016 01:34 PM  20 months agoPost 19
no1gsxrman

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If you are getting 1 degree at mid stick you did not level the swash properly. At mid stick the swash should be level and your pitch should be at 0. If you want I can show you.

Put the woman and children to bed it's time to go fly!

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01-29-2016 01:51 PM  20 months agoPost 20
AaronBmore

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That's the thing if I adjust the big links to the upper swash mixing arms to get 0deg at mid stick I get more positive pitch and less negative at full sticks (or vice versa I'm waiting for doctors appointment when I posted this.)

I dont WANT to break it!

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