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11-20-2015 09:51 PM  24 months agoPost 41
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With stupid people flying them.
fellow AMA member$, good for the 'nonprofit' hobby business

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11-21-2015 12:47 AM  24 months agoPost 42
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Life is expensive and infrastructure costs money. Something like half of all bridges in this country are another I-35 collapse waiting to happen yet we still complain.
And how on earth is my registration fee to the FAA going to pay to repair roads and bridges? I can't imagine how any fees we end up paying actually make any money for the government. After all, operating the program itself isn't going to be free. I know, maybe they'll use the money to supplement the Social Security Trust Fund (cough, cough).

As for the roads and bridges infrastructure thing, TARP I and TARP II were supposed to have taken care of that, you know, with all those "shovel ready" jobs out there.

The current administration is doing everything it can to part you from your money, because it's really not yours in the first place.

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11-21-2015 04:40 AM  24 months agoPost 43
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+1
I especially like the description of the task force selection process.
It's clear that they found a few bootlickers who wouldn't question anything and called them representatives.
Registration doesn't address the issue in the least. They don't have enough enforcement capability to handle the numbers and so what if they get a bunch of folks to register, the only folks that will actually benefit from registration are the dudes making Sharpies. Anyone that has intent to stretch the rules isn't going to mark an "N" number on the aerial appliance in the second place because they aren't going to register in the first place.

The only way that the FAA gets control of the airspace is manage the aerial appliances at the manufacturing level by forcing the manufacturer to install "stop codes" that require a "release code" to fly. They only way you get the "release code" is to register the aircraft and have someone physically follow up to see if that person is real and understands the issues. If you want to buy a stabilized aerial appliance, you should expect to pay to get the release code, simple really as now the onus is on the operator and not spread out to everyone that doesn't have a dog in the hunt. No one really gives a rat's ass about the pilot, that can be anyone, what you want is to control the appliance, hence the operator is controlled. The onus is now on the manufacturer, the real cause of this situation in the first place. Modelers aren't the issue and we've never been the issue. What's going to be interesting is if the AMA ties our membership to registration. If that happens I predict a mass exodus from the AMA.

I resent the FAA trying to drag modelers into the so-called "drone" problem because we aren't the problem. I would like to hear the real story by AMA as to what was going on behind the scenes since the hearings were behind closed doors. I accept no responsibility for the current situation because I fly models not drones. Look at the list of the members on the task force. AMA had one individual representing all of modeling. Now look at the number of retail industry representatives that were on the list and there were no less than 8 members representing the likes of WalMart and Best Buy as well as Amazon. Case in point is that the Small UAV representative has among its members many of the members that were represented individually on the task force so some of these folks had double and triple advocacy. Who represented some of the players in the modeling industry to at least have some parity and equal representation with the so called Drone leaders? Clearly our interests were outnumbered and out matched. There was no coalition of players in the model industry to represent our interests, only one dude from the AMA.

There's an old saying in US Government employment and it's this: "Doing a good job around here is like wetting your pants in a dark suit... it gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices." When you see all the suits during the inevitable press conference announcing the FAA registration program, look for the dark suits. Their next stop is the dry cleaners where they just pass the buck until the next calamity occurs.

Industry task force:
Nancy Egan – 3D Robotics
Richard Hanson – Academy of Model Aeronautics
George Novak – Aerospace Industries Association
Chuck Hogeman and Randy Kenagy – Air Line Pilots Association
Jim Coon – Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
Sean Cassidy – Amazon Prime Air
Ben Gielow– Amazon Retail
Justin Towles – American Association of Airport Executives
Brian Wynne – Association of Unmanned Vehicle Systems International
Parker Brugge – Best Buy
Douglas Johnson – Consumer Electronics Association
Brendan Schulman – DJI
Paul Feldman – General Aviation Manufacturers Association
Dave Vos – GoogleX (Co-Chair)
Tony Bates – GoPro
Matt Zuccaro – Helicopter Association International
Mike Fergus – International Association of Chiefs of Police
John Perry – Management Association for Private Photogrammetric Surveyors
Brandon Declet – Measure
Randall Burdett – National Association of State Aviation Officials
Sarah Wolf – National Business Aviation Association
Baptiste Tripard – Parrot
Tyler Collins – PrecisionHawk
Gregory McNeal – Small UAV Coalition
Thomas Head – Walmart

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11-21-2015 04:43 AM  24 months agoPost 44
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The onus is now on the manufacturer, the real cause of this situation in the first place.
Oh, come on...seriously? Blame the manufacturer for what people do with their hardware? That's what liberal idiots do with their "guns kill people" garbage and then try to sue the manufacturers for the ACTIONS of others.

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11-21-2015 04:53 AM  24 months agoPost 45
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Oh, come on...seriously? Blame the manufacturer for what people do with their hardware? That's what liberal idiots do with their "guns kill people" garbage and then try to sue the manufacturers for the ACTIONS of others.
The gun argument is specious at best and doesn't apply because guns are protected under the Second Amendment of the Constitution. Flying Drones isn't a right. Are you a modeler or an aerial appliance operator?

The proliferation of aerial appliances isn't caused by modelers it's caused by manufacturers making products that are so easy to fly that they require virtually no learning curve and no effort by the user. Since that's the case why should we have to register as operators?

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11-21-2015 05:12 AM  24 months agoPost 46
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The gun argument is specious at best and doesn't apply because guns are protected under the Second Amendment of the Constitution.
That has absolutely nothing to do with blaming the manufacturer for people misusing an inanimate object.

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11-21-2015 05:21 AM  24 months agoPost 47
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That has absolutely nothing to do with blaming the manufacturer for people misusing an inanimate object.
It is what it is, parse it any way you want but the outcome's the same. If you want to control the airspace and make it safe is registering all of the AMA members going to do that? Will registering everyone that buys a multi rotor over 8 ounces going to do that?

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11-21-2015 01:09 PM  24 months agoPost 48
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11-21-2015 02:22 PM  24 months agoPost 49
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I am sorry but I have to agree with Aaron29. The day I opened up the AMA magazine and saw Dave with a quad in his hands on the editorial piece that he does I knew something was amiss here. The AMA had to know just what trouble the quad thing was going to be and here is the president of the organization touting them.
I smelled a rat a long time ago in this one.

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11-21-2015 03:51 PM  24 months agoPost 50
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11-21-2015 06:24 PM  24 months agoPost 51
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Are the results out?

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11-21-2015 07:15 PM  24 months agoPost 52
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http://www.delawareonline.com/story...drone/74291146/

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11-21-2015 09:13 PM  24 months agoPost 53
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I'm already a member of the AMA does that mean I'm auto registered?... they have no record of my addiction... if it does, I don't like that.

device manufactures are already making us register... had to register my vbar, dji software, ect...

If we register our multirotor is it now a drone?

Drones are real.

If its real can I write it of off on my taxes?... I'm in a greenbelt and have to inspect property lines.

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11-21-2015 10:36 PM  24 months agoPost 54
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Look at the photo in this article. Lots of cellphone cameras going off.

http://www.newsweek.com/experts-tas...ions-faa-397008

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11-21-2015 11:55 PM  24 months agoPost 55
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The day I opened up the AMA magazine and saw Dave with a quad in his hands on the editorial piece that he does I knew something was amiss here.
Heck, it's in this month's issue with Bob Brown, the damned president of the AMA. Just inside the front cover in the very first article...holding a freakin' quad and talking about how he's all gaga over FPV...
I smelled a rat a long time ago in this one.
Yup. Turns out it's the head cheese.

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11-22-2015 01:39 AM  24 months agoPost 56
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Any news? Or is this another Failed Attempt At meeting a deadline....

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11-22-2015 01:45 AM  24 months agoPost 57
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So, the responsible operators will register, and fly responsibly.

The morons won't register, and will continue to fly like morons.

How will registration stop anything? Another "feel good" program from an ever expanding bureaucracy.

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11-22-2015 02:04 AM  24 months agoPost 58
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So, the responsible operators will register, and fly responsibly.

The morons won't register, and will continue to fly like morons.

How will registration stop anything? Another "feel good" program from an ever expanding bureaucracy.
+1

Bad people will do bad things whether it's with a paper bag and a piece of string or a drone. Registration and rules do not matter to bad people. Uninformed people can be educated.....

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11-22-2015 02:15 AM  24 months agoPost 59
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What happens if the responsible operators stay responsible but don't register?

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11-22-2015 02:15 AM  24 months agoPost 60
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From the web, "Aero News Network:"
UAV Registration Rule Proposals Leaked Following Meetings
System Designed To Track Down Owners In Cases Of Possible Violation

The FAA would require the registration of all UAVs weighing more than half a pound if it adopts recommendations crafted by the UAV Registration Task Force last week.

But the registration would be free, and could be conducted online, according to a report in the Washington Post.

According to what the paper described as "multiple members of the task force speaking on the condition of anonymity", the registration process would be done through Internet sites or mobile apps, including those of manufacturers. That the sources said, would not burden the retailers with registering a UAV at the point of sale.

So what information would be included in the registration? The owner's name and address, which would allow the FAA to find the owner of a UAV should it become separated from the owner. An email address would be voluntary to allow the FAA to send updates on UAV regulations to operators. The panel considered asking for social security numbers and dates of birth, but decided not to be that intrusive.

Once registered, a UAV would be required to display a registration number that is easily seen by the person operating the aircraft. No size or font for the registration number was specified.

The FAA is not required to adopt the proposed regulations, but it does have a deadline of November 20 imposed by Department of Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx in an effort to beat an anticipated holiday rush on the aircraft.
This sounds about as useless as....

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