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HelicopterMain Discussion › Looks like the FAA registration will be similar to AMA registration
11-20-2015 01:30 AM  22 months agoPost 21
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Government registration does not negate the need for liability insurance. If that were the case, no one would be required to purchase automobile insurance.

The Government fee will be just that - a fee, nothing more. You pay your money and get nothing in return.

If you believe it will be a one-time only fee, I also believe you will be disappointed. I have to renew the license plates and registration on my car every year. I have to renew my driver's license every 4 or 8 years. I have to pay county taxes every year on my house. There are a lot of annual fees that people must pay simply because the Government says so.

I would not for a moment sit back and claim that the AMA did nothing, and was only in the fight to make money "for themselves."

The FAA has been hankering to control every aspect of flying there is, for many years. The proliferation of RTF quadcopters, and the irresponsible use of them by a few only gave the FAA a "reason" to make this grab. The feeding frenzy perpetrated by the national news outlets helped make this a done deal. The current administration works on the philosophy of "never let a crisis go to waste."

Even in spite of the Federal law passed by Congress a few years ago which forbids the FAA from screwing with model aviation, the FAA has gone ahead and ignored that law, and is making this grab to control the airways. Does ANYONE for a minute believe that simply registering a quadcopter is going to stop idiots from doing stupid stuff?

The current administration is corrupt from the bottom up, and has no respect for the law, or individual rights. It's all about control.

Note that the AMA is not a regulatory body, or agency. They leave local club politics at the local club level, and rarely, if ever, put themselves in the middle of a local club dispute. Uncle Sam, on the other hand, LOVES to fiddle around at the local level, and LOVES to get involved at the local club level.

It is not the AMA's fault that the FAA is steamrolling their plan through to its completion.

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11-20-2015 01:39 AM  22 months agoPost 22
Aaron29

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That doesn't cut it as a justification to me.

First, yes I have to carry auto insurance. But I have insurance for my heli. In the form of homeowner's. But that isn't sufficient to fly at most clubs. Not to mention auto insurance rules do not dictate a sole company for coverage. So to compare, I believe, doesn't work. This just doesn't jive.

Secondly, the AMA has not sold itself to us as only an insuring body. I have countless a magazine flyleaf that attest that they sold themselves as a representative body. Well. They absolutely failed. Drones didn't build the AMA. We traditional hobbyists did. And the AMA tried to approach this drone phenomenon with an inclusive approach that no doubt had drone dollars in mind. A critical mistake IMO. Had they immediately categorized us as separate, things might be different. But they aren't.

The irony is most drones won't carry AMA as they don't operate out of charter fields. The AMA should have recognized that and excluded them from day 1. I think their judgment was clouded by dollar signs. No other explanation for them overlooking the obvious exists.

No, I can't be convinced the AMA is above chasing the almighty dollar. I saw them do it well before this drone phenomenon even took hold. They kept having park flyers on the magazine covers a while back. It wasn't a damaging campaign, but they were transparently chasing an unrealized market.

So yes. The AMA chases money. And normally I don't mind that. But when it gets in the way of promised representation, I take offense.

In short, the two reasons I carry AMA (insurance/representation) seem pointless. I have insurance if I cancel AMA. And I have no effective representation whether I cancel or not. So I'm still not convinced my AMA is worth the card it's printed on.

Finally, I have to say that "we tried" doesn't cut it. Not in business. Not anywhere. Not when you are charging money. And not when you are making promises.

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11-20-2015 01:46 AM  22 months agoPost 23
Ace Dude

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If you believe it will be a one-time only fee, I also believe you will be disappointed. I have to renew the license plates and registration on my car every year. I have to renew my driver's license every 4 or 8 years. I have to pay county taxes every year on my house. There are a lot of annual fees that people must pay simply because the Government says so.
Motor vehicle fees are imposed by state government. The DOT/FAA are federal entities.

Nearly all FCC (federal) amateur radio licensing fees are free.

http://www.arrl.org/fcc-forms

The last time I renewed my amateur radio license (they're good for 10 years) I went crazy trying to figure out why it wasn't asking me for my credit card information during the renewal process. I thought I was doing something wrong or it hadn't been renewed successfully. There's no way it could possibly be free right? I also knew they used to charge a small fee renewals. Low and behold, there was no fee for the renewal.

  

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11-20-2015 03:52 AM  22 months agoPost 24
elmobad

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I don't get it, when did this happen. The government says "boo" and everyone runs.

I thought this is a democracy, I don't remember voting? No this is not just, this is not right.

Also, what stops anyone from putting fake numbers on there "drones". SO FREAKING stupid.
I know what mine will be:
FOOKDAFA2

No cops are going to give a crap about this.

GOT FBL?

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11-20-2015 04:16 AM  22 months agoPost 25
TMoore

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I thought this is a democracy, I don't remember voting?
Actually, we live in a Democratic Republic. That's a little different.

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11-20-2015 04:28 AM  22 months agoPost 26
Aaron29

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It's a money grab.

Plain and simple.

It WILL not stop an ill intentioned person from wreaking havoc with a drone, as it is not required at the point of sale. Until it is, it can't stop a bad guy. Someone who wishes to avoid registration can do so.

As for the irresponsible, it'll not be an issue until they are flying it in the wrong place and are caught - at which point the book will be thrown at them. But then, if we are just catching dorks after the fact, and there is no active deterrent, you haven't really made anything safer. Effectively, you end up with the EXACT same issues as in gun control - only the responsible will be following your laws, the responsible ones were never a problem and they are the ones who pay, the irresponsible ones you would really like to reach are not reachable, and the public is still in danger despite the law.

I think government knows this. It's a money grab.

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11-20-2015 04:35 AM  22 months agoPost 27
dkshema

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There are tens of thousands of Federal regulations that no one voted for except for the bureaucrats in the government.
The government says "boo" and everyone runs.
That's because the Government can really make your life suck if you don't play by their rules.

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11-20-2015 11:11 AM  22 months agoPost 28
dialarotor

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U-control may make a giant comeback

Time to get out the ratracers, goodyear racers, the Voodoo combat ship and a few ringmaster stunters. LABEL THIS FAA. Walk on in that circle and take it out of my hand, better duck pretty low.

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11-20-2015 12:58 PM  22 months agoPost 29
jharkin

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Never waste a chance to blame everything on Obama, eh guys?

If the recommendations come out today with a registration that is free/ no cost what will you complain about then?

Sure I'd like to not have to pay a fee to get my license and car registration - but those are cheaper than my AMA dues so I dont sweat it ($75 every 5 yr and $60 every 2 year respectively). I'd like to not pay property tax as well, however last time I checked our cops,teachers and firemen are not volunteers and our roads dont repair themselves.

Life is expensive and infrastructure costs money. Something like half of all bridges in this country are another I-35 collapse waiting to happen yet we still complain. I know everyone wants something for nothing but the real world doesn't work that way guys.

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11-20-2015 01:27 PM  22 months agoPost 30
870heli

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Control is what the government is after, always. Your are right when you say FAA registration will stop none of the problem's. They don't care, CONTROL is what they want. They will fix nothing.
The AMA can do and has done nothing. Once things get on TV it's a snow ball and winner takes all.
2.4 has changed everything. When we had 72meg and back with 27meg the AMA kept every flyer and flying field under control. Back up like 20 years and everyone had a challenge to learn to fly. That's gone. With self stabilizers anyone can fly and Drones are even EZer. That is why they are showing up every ware. With stupid people flying them.
All this has changed modeling and not for the better. I have been modeling for like sixty years and seen a lot of trends. When myself and others in our club started flying helicopters we were not liked as much shell we say.
It dose seem that we are powerless to protect ourselves.
Time will tell. My two cents.
870Heli

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11-20-2015 02:16 PM  22 months agoPost 31
rcmiket

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Details will be released on Saturday.
Got a source or link? Just curious.

Thanks
Mike

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11-20-2015 02:27 PM  22 months agoPost 32
rcnut

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Rockford, Illinois

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...you just have to register and get a one-time registration number that you put on all your aircraft...
Right...like that is ever going to happen!
...If there is a fee, I sure hope it's not an annual renewal thing like the AMA, which is getting pricey at $75/year now...
Pay the $1500 and become a life member!

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11-20-2015 02:49 PM  22 months agoPost 33
HeimD

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Life is expensive and infrastructure costs money. Something like half of all bridges in this country are another I-35 collapse waiting to happen yet we still complain.
Things like this wouldn't be an issue if we quit paying off the hood rats and ghetto goblins via welfare programs. And, please, spare us the bleeding heart liberal rhetoric that I'm sure is forthcoming.

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11-20-2015 02:51 PM  22 months agoPost 34
HeimD

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Pay the $1500 and become a life member!
Nevuhgonnahappen.

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11-20-2015 02:55 PM  22 months agoPost 35
elmobad

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There are tens of thousands of Federal regulations that no one voted for except for the bureaucrats in the government.
The government says "boo" and everyone runs.
That's because the Government can really make your life suck if you don't play by their rules.
Because you/we as a people let the government intimidate us because they are BULLY's nothing more. Sure the government can really make your life suck, so can a bully, how do you defeat a bully you have to stand up to the bully. How do you defeat a BULLYING government WE have to stand up to the BULLY how do WE do that...... civil disobedience!!!!!

NON COMPLIANCE to there intimidation

Watch at YouTube

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11-20-2015 04:11 PM  22 months agoPost 36
HeimD

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Matt Damon: All for being left alone, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz... And, for redistribution of wealth.

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11-20-2015 05:54 PM  22 months agoPost 37
rcmiket

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https://www.transportation.gov/fast...ing%20to-step-2
Looks like maybe tomorrow we might get the "recommendations".

Mike

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11-20-2015 06:35 PM  22 months agoPost 38
jschenck

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Sorry but what Is the AMA for again?
My view the #1 reason to support AMA is they are the best and most recognized organization that supports and stand up for our interests as hobbyists.

AMA is the reason we have and should retain the 72mhz operating ban (I wish our hobby FHSS radios would go to 72 mhz if for no other reason than it's a dedicated frequency band for our hobby)

AMA represents us with all the discussions with sUAS, commercial "DRONE" operations and related - clearly differentiating these from hobbyist interests.

I'd hate to see how this (FAA regulations and potential federal laws) could have turned out without the years of AMA supporting us.

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11-20-2015 06:41 PM  22 months agoPost 39
TMoore

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The FAA press release is the most moronic statement that I've ever read from a government official. It's everything that I've come to expect from the Obama administration.

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11-20-2015 06:57 PM  22 months agoPost 40
Aaron29

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+1

I especially like the description of the task force selection process.

It's clear that they found a few bootlickers who wouldn't question anything and called them representatives.

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