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11-19-2015 09:49 PM  22 months agoPost 1
HeimD

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Doesn't seem too bad considering all things. If this is what comes out in the FAA ruling tomorrow, you just have to register and get a one-time registration number that you put on all your aircraft. No real juicy personal info required, either.

Now, what's the fee going to be?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr...mend-2015-11-18

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11-19-2015 11:11 PM  22 months agoPost 2
Ace Dude

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Details will be released on Saturday.

  

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11-19-2015 11:14 PM  22 months agoPost 3
HeimD

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I already said it was contingent upon the FAA ruling. I still can't see them doing this without grabbing money from everyone who actually does bow down before their master and register.

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11-19-2015 11:16 PM  22 months agoPost 4
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Similar fee, too? If so it was just a government money grab.

Government seen as doing something about the "problem" and getting paid to do it. Nm the efficacy of this path.

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11-19-2015 11:34 PM  22 months agoPost 5
HeimD

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If there is a fee, I sure hope it's not an annual renewal thing like the AMA, which is getting pricey at $75/year now. And, for anyone who says that's not too much, 75 bucks is 75 bucks and something that 99.9999% of us will never use once in an insurance claim.

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11-19-2015 11:38 PM  22 months agoPost 6
Aaron29

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Don't forget u get a sweet magazine subscription. Lol yeah I'm kidding.

If the AMA doesn't pay out until home owner's insurance is exhausted, and can't protect its core membership from this drone assault, and in fact may have intentionally helped lump us into drones because they saw dollar signs? Sorry but what Is the AMA for again?

Every promise broken as far as I'm concerned. Worthless.

I'd rather just pay the government fee and skip AMA requirements. At least the government doesn't pee on my leg and say that's rain. If this is how it is...As far as I'm concerned the AMA has failed its mission. The only question is was it intentional? Either way. Useless to me.

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11-19-2015 11:42 PM  22 months agoPost 7
HeimD

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Exactly. I fly in a huge open area where an accident involving someone else would be extremely, extremely rare. I have no use for clubs or the magazine subscription. I only joined the AMA to help our "cause" and it appears they failed spectacularly. I'm definitely going to re-think my renewal at the end of 2017 since I jumped on the two year current price deal. Or, better yet, I'll just get a pro-rated refund if they really hung us out to dry.

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11-19-2015 11:47 PM  22 months agoPost 8
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If we're bringing the government into our hobby to regulate, it becomes difficult to argue that the AMA has a purpose. If this is the future, why would clubs require AMA? And AMA Charter fields - There's no point in that if it's regulated by government.

I think the AMA saw the drone phenomenon, saw dollar signs, and lost its way. I knew we were in for some crap when drones started showing up on the magazine covers. They got greedy and this is the result.

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11-19-2015 11:49 PM  22 months agoPost 9
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aviation rules are not out to get the hobbyists, just want pilot like manners

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11-19-2015 11:54 PM  22 months agoPost 10
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Funny u should bring full size into this.

I'm a FS pilot and deal with the FAA, not AOPA. And there is nothing exclusive to AOPA members in full size aviation.

That's my point. If we're going to go into the future registering with FAA and following FARs, I'm not going to be agreeable to clubs that REQUIRE AMA in order to participate. And events that REQUIRE AMA to participate. At that point, it'd be superfluous and unfair.

The AMA might have brought its demise. If they failed this big, they can't justify being the governing agency anymore and clubs can't either.

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11-19-2015 11:58 PM  22 months agoPost 11
revmix

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That's my point
r/c pilot as hobby operator

AMA is a hobby business for members' fee$
membership is not required to play with r/c, only to follow the S.C.
I used to be involved with f/s choppers & have home owner's insurance, so to tinker with r/c helis for me modelaircraft.org is useless

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11-20-2015 12:24 AM  22 months agoPost 12
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You're ignoring that most clubs have charter.

My current club and last club require it.

Can't play at IRCHA XFC etc. without it.

It's undeniably seen as a governing body for the hobby. And my point is with the FAA now filling that role, AMA is superfluous and unfair. Its whole purpose is gone. As is its promise.

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11-20-2015 12:37 AM  22 months agoPost 13
revmix

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the clubs are with AMA for insurance purpose & public places require coverage

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11-20-2015 12:40 AM  22 months agoPost 14
Aaron29

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Yeah except AMA doesn't kick in until your homeowner's is gone. So please, help me justify it?

Seems like it exists only for itself.

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11-20-2015 12:44 AM  22 months agoPost 15
revmix

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that's how the nonprofit org. is set up; rip off

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11-20-2015 12:46 AM  22 months agoPost 16
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The only possible redemption is if somehow they struck a deal and being in AMA fulfills these FAA requirements in lieu.

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11-20-2015 12:52 AM  22 months agoPost 17
revmix

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there is no deal, the only thing is the Safety Code by section 336,
but there is the AC91-57A that is the base for r/c usage, so again AMA is not necessary, only have to follow FAA rules

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11-20-2015 12:55 AM  22 months agoPost 18
Aaron29

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Then these clubs need to reconsider policy. Especially if I'm carrying homeowner's insurance.

The clubs specifically demand AMA from members. Having insurance isn't enough.

Again...If they could get a win for us. Something... ANYTHING... And its existence is justified.

Otherwise it just collects money. I already have the government to do that!

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11-20-2015 01:08 AM  22 months agoPost 19
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AMA liabilty insurance for the club and land owners who have been named as an additional insured as part of the club charter process is not secondary insurance. Nor is the insurance provided through the AMA sanction and additional insured certificates purchased for those associated with the sanctioned event.

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11-20-2015 01:12 AM  22 months agoPost 20
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Ok what I'm hearing then is basically it benefits club leaders and event coordinators, but everyone else it just siphons from.

Sorry but we got some taxation without representation here.

Unless they get us a win, like they justified their existence for. Or provide primary insurance. Something. Anything.

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