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11-17-2015 01:11 AM  24 months agoPost 1
Yug

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It seems the hayday is now a byegone era; one that peaked around 2008. Most folks I knew then aren't around anymore and the vast majority are either asking timely questions about "why does my engine start in reverse" and similar. Drones seem to be the current flavour, which in my mind are nothing to do with real helis which you actually have to fly ! Pleased to see the debate over electric or nitro is still being hotly debated although rather lamely.
Sadly, it seems hardcore helis has become something of the past. Not to say there are some really fab pilots out there, but the FIA 3D and Hardcore 3D flying spectacle seems now relegated to the margins of time.
When I had to leave the hobby in 2007 there was such a sence of trying to achieve technical perfection, with regards to technical setup and flying ability. This notion seems to have vapourised now

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11-17-2015 01:17 AM  24 months agoPost 2
HeliOCD

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peaked around 2008
+1

Sad but so true.

Also for me, it was always the difficulty and wrench pulling that made me such a fan of heli's.

Its all earth!

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11-17-2015 01:27 AM  24 months agoPost 3
JayL

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Yep I remember in the early 2000's you could go to a local fun fly and their would be 50 pilots if not more and over half of them were flying fury's. ah the good ol days im afraid those days are gone.

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11-17-2015 02:31 AM  24 months agoPost 4
elmobad

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Going to the field almost any day of the week we would see someone to fly with, most of the time you had to wait a while to get your turn in. Now most days I might see a tiny electric park flier.
I have a theory, during the early 2000's you could (by me western burbs or Chicago) walk into a bunch of different brick and mortar hobby shops and see many different helicopter kit choices. Then go to the field see most of then flying then you say I like the look of that one or the shop I go to has parts so you chose that model. Well the people who were flying said wow look at the deals on the new interwebs.... Problem was that lasted a while till economy tanked in 2008 and beyond. No more expensive heli kits on walls less and less parts, less support. Less guys flying means no new people getting interested means, almost no more brick and mortar shops.
The thing is new people still want to fly, problem is they look to what they know malls. What's at malls, pure garbage coaxial "helicopter", but they sucked bad. So next step quadcopters. They looked interesting ZERO skill to fly, BANG BOOM........ by by (for most)why mess with these expensive hard to fly easy to crash Helicopters. I can fly to see......... WOW that so cool what is it it's my new Drone...... DAD DAD see what jimmy has I want one to. ... SURE BILLY here ya go have fun oh boy you can use it to take pictures and videos.....................
And that's the rest of the story........

GOT FBL?

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11-17-2015 03:02 AM  24 months agoPost 5
Jerman

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I was really into helis up until around' 08. Got out and sold my stuff. Big mistake, I'm back in building a hirobo freya ex with my dad. I'm a guy in my late 30's and loving every bit of it. And yes I feel at some point things will come back around again, this time I won't be selling off anything. Guys hang on to your birds. Oh, and I wouldn't worry to much about drones, they'll be just fine on the toy aisle.

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11-17-2015 03:07 AM  24 months agoPost 6
cudaboy_71

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I dunno. I started in '04--played right through the 'hayday' until present. I never took a break, and still fly every weekend with the same guys I always have.

Sure, there's a lot more drone guys now. That never really piqued my interest though. So, they do their thing, we still do ours. Lost 2-3 regular members to the quads/racers. But, largely still the same group.

Funfly events definitely maxed in attendance in '07-'09. But, that was the top of the curve. I went to 3 events this year and attendance seemed about like it was in '04-'06. Lots of great pilots; plenty of guys just flying sport stuff.

Ya, the helis change every year. In '04 everyone had a fury or a raptor; by '08 everyone was flying Align and starting to see some dabbling in FBL; This year everyone and their brother had a Goblin of one flavor or another.

But, it has always been like that.

I will concede the online forum scene has changed. Both here and HF front page (main forum) is pretty stale. Used to be --even just last year at this time-- you could visit twice a day and see all new topics. Now it takes two weeks for a subject to cycle through to page two. But, dig in to the model specific forums and they're as active as ever. And, there are some really nice ships out right now that I'm really looking forward to.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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11-17-2015 03:59 AM  24 months agoPost 7
gologo

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Yep I remember in the early 2000's you could go to a local fun fly and their would be 50 pilots if not more and over half of them were flying fury's. ah the good ol days im afraid those days are gone.
Yep, and don't forget the Vigors and the 'then' latest Schluters....
Lot of the guys that would put on demos or 'hardcore' competitions over a
given funfly weekend would almost always be flying Minature or JR around
our area of the country. And yeah, you could really get lost in the crowd
at a lot of those events in the late 90s/early 00s. Lot of good memories of
those!

Think also around 2008, electrics were really starting to come into their
own, motors and escs were really getting figured out, I know that is when I
gave up nitro for good. And wasn't too long were the helis were getting
smaller and smaller, ARF, and less and less need for actual club fields.

And sure agree about the main page going stale lately...unless you get into
of the many drone threads. Lot of the sub forums too, although that political forum absolutely never sleeps.....

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11-17-2015 04:54 AM  24 months agoPost 8
keiser BLADE

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I got in in 2k8 and I'm still flying, I had an old raptor 50 which is now fbl and still flying great.
but the hobby is ever increasing in technology so I have moved up with the times. I have a numerous other birds all fbl, I'm in process of upgrading to a synergy n5c and a futaba 14sg radio. I'm gonna stay in as long as possible. I don't see many flying helis around here but I do, the plane guys are cool with it at my field. I am also still mostly powered by nitro. one large electric and 6 nitros.
I hope the hobby holds out as I enjoy it and also cant wait to see the new things that come out every year, I usually buy my stuff second hand from here anyway so I don't always have the latest and greatest but buying and saleing on here is a whole other hobby sometimes
Brandon

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11-17-2015 09:07 PM  24 months agoPost 9
lfalsetto

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Ease of flying a "Quad" has really changed the hobby.

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11-18-2015 09:58 AM  24 months agoPost 10
OICU812

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Hey YUG kinda just getting back in and my feet wet as well. Glad to see you're still alive and well.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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11-18-2015 02:43 PM  24 months agoPost 11
Four Stroker

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Atlanta

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This is an expensive hobby. All of the exciting new jobs that have come back since the great recession are minimum wage jobs. $100K -> $20K, happy, happy, happy. Add to that the young guys don't have the attention span to build anything. Quads satisfy the instant gratification thing.

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11-18-2015 04:31 PM  24 months agoPost 12
Qrrambero

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Memories. Me 20+ years ago :-(
OICU812, nice to see you. Didn't see you or Francis this year in IRCHA.

Ae

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11-18-2015 09:49 PM  24 months agoPost 13
Nashville

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My theory is simple. Prior to 2008 the economy was booming. I was addicted to rc helis and enjoyed the heck out of the hobby. Then 2008 economy crashed and my addiction did too as I now work twice as hard for half the money. I feel the economy will start to rebound now, won't get into politics, and I'll be back in a big way. Flying drones and small electrics to fill my needs for now...

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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11-18-2015 11:42 PM  24 months agoPost 14
HYTEK36

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yeah i too remember back in the Day around 2000...i worked in a hobby store and man you just couldn't keep the build kits on the shelf..and i too loved my fury..but the new or old ,synergy's are pretty nice..i just finished building the N5c..love the smell nitro in the morning...can't stand the fact that there are few and far between build kit's..mass produced bind and fly "mini" electric hell's...i can't stand it.it all stems from the instant gratification of today's youth..they want it now and get bored with it quickly..i don't care what anyone say's if you build it yourself and them fly it ,,there is a ton more gratification in it..Hmm pull it from the box charge a battery and fly..no knowledge in how or why it works and i'm here to tell you NOTHING fly's like a bigger bird...sure i have a few electric bird's ..but they just don't fly as well as a good ole nitro bird..well maybe the bigger ones...but damn 500 bucks for a battery pack and you need how many extra's...hell you got more money tied up in batteries that the whole bird...no thank's i'll stick to the nitro's and 28 bucks a gallon for fuel...and then if you say "FLYBAR" hell to someone they look at you like you've been around since the model T....LOL..Rant over...

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11-20-2015 10:57 PM  24 months agoPost 15
Noobyflyer

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I pick it up, put it down, pick it up, put it down.

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11-21-2015 03:43 PM  24 months agoPost 16
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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long beach calif

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we are all still good in Cali lots of new pilots have been contacting me for personal help maybe because the hobby shops are not doing as much fo the hobby anymore? I'm doing me best to educate and keep folks in the air guys are traveling long distance to meet the famous youtube clown

I figure with all of the drone regulations done pilots will soon turn to helicopters and bring the heli market back

Insha Allah made in america

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12-06-2015 06:16 PM  23 months agoPost 17
ghettoflyer

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Hobby has changed

I still have my Raptor 50 V2 and bought 2 more from a Pilot who got out if the hobby..i work outside the USA so I don't get to fly much..i have found out most of the guys I flew with have gone on to other things. those still in the hobby are so sponsored now that they forget we all flew together at fields and funflys. One guy even threw away all his helis and field equip in the trash rather than go back and forth on price for the helis. Sad to think that the intent of flying with friends or flying for the fun of it has gone away. I am home now before departing again to another country to work but I miss the days of going to the field and having a boys day out. it was fun to hang out and just be there. I cant fly worth **** but I enjoyed the friendships that developed...But I keep mine anyway for when I do come home on vacation and enjoy even just to hover, some forward flight...Lets bring back the real reason of the sport.

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12-06-2015 06:44 PM  23 months agoPost 18
Busher

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Hi Yug,

Where have you been for so long and what have you been doing, last I heard you had a 10 cell logo, and you were beating it to death.

Good luck
Busher

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12-06-2015 08:41 PM  23 months agoPost 19
icanfly

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ontario

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Sadly, it seems hardcore helis has become something of the past. Not to say there are some really fab pilots out there, but the FIA 3D and Hardcore 3D flying spectacle seems now relegated to the margins of time.
When I had to leave the hobby in 2007 there was such a sense of trying to achieve technical perfection, with regards to technical setup and flying ability. This notion seems to have vaporized now
pretty bleak outlook, it's lost interest due to quad copter ease of use, no servo costs and very few set up nightmares to speak of, A NO BRAINER to those who don't want to spin a basketball on the end of a stick and get more brain then they already have. Compare that to riding a tricycle.

Rc helis are a challenge, a real challenge and you can never run out of things to learn and challenge one's mind to, take any aspect of it.

We're seeing a decline in interest due to the multis and to iphones, $250 this way or that way, at least with the iphone you can play the simulator anywhere and not invest anymore drug/booze/rock roll money, PARTY COME FIRST to the real world, ya know.

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12-07-2015 04:59 AM  23 months agoPost 20
MattJen

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Then 2008 economy crashed and my addiction did too as I now work twice as hard for half the money

yep agree whole heartedly, I now work 2 jobs just to keep a roof over my head, gone are the days spending a few hundred on bits, a crash now is nearly a year downtime, since my lypo fire 2 yrs I have never recovered and my scale beauty is now a memory.

I started around late 90's and got into it serious around 2002/4.

The top of the range model to fly was the Xcell Fury, I still have my extreme and tempest 3D/FAI, machines were built to last and they did, ok the ARTF appeared later on but you still had to check for locktight and there were still setups to do.

With events of the play station and Xbox youngsters want instant satisfaction, they don't want to be spending 2 - 3 weeks building a machine setting gear meshes dialling in clutches to get that mechanical perfection. Then spending another few months tweaking and experimenting with different weighted paddles and different fly bar ratios to get that perfect track.

Even turbines now are common place and considered old technology with the event of more powerful electric motors.

Drones have certainly satisfied the instant out of the box gratification but indoor electrics started the change, the coaxials although not as good, certainly did get people interested in the hobby at an affordable price, it is here I feel where the hobby started to change, gone were the days of 4 mins flights on a 12 cell NIMH ( Eolo r22 / Eolo Pro etc) lypo's appeared on the scene in a big way, and electronics and the quality of electronics improved at an extreme rate to the situation where we can have a machine that can fly a pre programmed routine without spending weeks and months at a club or field learning to hover.

I am sure it will continue to change, as has the fixed wing arena as well.

All The Best

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