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11-17-2015 04:23 PM  22 months agoPost 21
revmix

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can agree to disagree
and the circle is full, so the issue restarts

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11-17-2015 06:32 PM  22 months agoPost 22
elmobad

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Never mind it's not worth it.

No I will not comply, No I will not be going to prison for flying my TOY Helis or Planes. You and I can think what ever we want. (Until "they" make that illigal to right?)

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11-17-2015 07:14 PM  22 months agoPost 23
ICUR1-2

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If the same happens in Canada. I won't be registering. Since I don't fly at a club or have maac or fly at events. I don't see the need to pay any of those fees. that's over 150$ saved right there.

I don't care to be fully registered because it is not needed in my circumstances.
However there are those who prefer to be fully registered and that is their right and we should still have respect for one another.
It's called free will !

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11-17-2015 07:24 PM  22 months agoPost 24
elmobad

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However there are those who prefer to be fully registered and that is their right and we should still have respect for one another. 
It's called free will !
I understand the point your addressing. I will show total respect to the person to the best of my ability , but I can't and wont respect all their decisions.
It's called free will!

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11-17-2015 07:46 PM  22 months agoPost 25
sideng

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I will comply with what ever laws are enacted. I do not see anything in the constitution or anything like the second amendment giving me the right to own and bear planes and helicopters.
That would be covered in the 9th amendment, including the right to be left alone unless you injure or damage someone. None of the Bill of Rights were "granted" to us by the government.

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11-17-2015 09:01 PM  22 months agoPost 26
TheMainShaft

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Section (b) simply clarifies that the FAA can enforce any existing laws (and there are several) that deal with interference of full scale aircraft flight, against anyone, including the RC hobbyist. However they are not free to make new ones.

Enforced registration does indeed interfere with flying my rc aircraft.
If I don't register, I can't fly.

I fully agree that there is a potential problem that needs a solution. Registration is simply not a solution.

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11-17-2015 09:55 PM  22 months agoPost 27
elmobad

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Nail right between the eyes of the FAA!

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11-18-2015 12:05 AM  22 months agoPost 28
HeimD

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I will comply with what ever laws are enacted. I do not see anything in the constitution or anything like the second amendment giving me the right to own and bear planes and helicopters.
Of course you will. You're a sheep living in liberal nanny state MD and one who doesn't understand how the Constitution works. It limits GOVERNMENT, not the people.

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11-18-2015 12:03 PM  22 months agoPost 29
Heli_Splatter

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I would just waste my time responding. Go troll someone else.
Of course you will. You're a sheep living in liberal nanny state MD and one who doesn't understand how the Constitution works. It limits GOVERNMENT, not the people.

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11-18-2015 12:21 PM  22 months agoPost 30
TheMainShaft

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I don't believe there is any scenario in which registration will help identify some screwball.

1. Drones are small. You can't put an identifying number on them that is large enough to see at any reasonable distance. So this does not help the scenarios where airline pilots are reporting near drone sitings.

2. If there actually was mid air contact with a drone there would probably not be enough left to identify.

3. It does not act as a deterrent to the screwball. They will simply not register their home built drone.

What it will do:

1. Cost the taxpayers billions of dollars.

2. Waste the time of local law enforcement who will have to stop by the local flying fields and check RC flyers registrations.

3. Provide yet another government database that is inaccurate and not maintained.

This is another of example of poorly thought out "pre-crime" law. The only one who will likely ever be prosecuted under this law is some poor soul that forgot to renew his registration.

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11-18-2015 01:01 PM  22 months agoPost 31
jharkin

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Of course you will. You're a sheep living in liberal nanny state MD and one who doesn't understand how the Constitution works. It limits GOVERNMENT, not the people.
Have you actually read the whole constitution you claim to love so dearly?

The constitution is not the word of god etched in marble on the top of a mountain. It is a living document, meant to evolve and change with the times. This was very deliberately done so that it could stand the test of time, if you read the writings of the framers.

Right wingers and Southerners do not have a monopoly on loving this country. If you open your eyes and listen to what we are saying you might find that those on the other side of the aisle love the USA just as much, they just have different ideas on how to move the country forward.

Its funny, I was watching the 60 minutes interview of Paul Ryan the other day, and as much as I disliked his positions as a VP candidate I liked what he had to say in that interview. To paraphrase - there used to be a time in this country when we disagreed and we argued our opponents beliefs and position. Now when we disagree we just go and impeach their character. THIS is the fundamental flaw in today's dialog that ensures that no progress is ever going to get made on anything.

So go ahead, be my guest and "NOT COMPLY" Just realize that you are not Rosa Parks or Ghandi. This is not an issue of basic liberty and freedom, there is going to be no public outcry of support for you on this one. This is a matter of big boy toys putting peoples lives in danger when used improperly and the general public is not likely to be on your side this time if they beleive you are going against public safety.

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11-18-2015 01:09 PM  22 months agoPost 32
HeimD

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It is a living document, meant to evolve and change with the times. This was very deliberately done so that it could stand the test of time, if you read the writings of the framers.
And, that is why you fail. You couldn't have posted a more stark contradiction. Things, by definition, don't "stand the test of time" if they evolve and change.
Right wingers and Southerners do not have a monopoly on loving this country.
No, it's obvious you love your GOVERNMENT, not the country. Huge difference... You statists will bow down to your legislative master, be it federal or local, in any way possible because it's always "the right thing to do" in your submissive interpretation.

But, it's okay, though. You're from MA and, much like the guy from MD, acceptance of cradle-to-grave government hand holding is completely expected...

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11-18-2015 01:11 PM  22 months agoPost 33
HeimD

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I would just waste my time responding. Go troll someone else.
No, you won't respond with substance because you simply cannot. Telling someone to just go away is the easiest way for you to handle it.

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11-18-2015 01:37 PM  22 months agoPost 34
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I don't believe there is any scenario in which registration will help identify some screwball.
1. Drones are small. You can't put an identifying number on them that is large enough to see at any reasonable distance. So this does not help the scenarios where airline pilots are reporting near drone sitings.
2. If there actually was mid air contact with a drone there would probably not be enough left to identify.
3. It does not act as a deterrent to the screwball. They will simply not register their home built drone.
What it will do:
1. Cost the taxpayers billions of dollars.
2. Waste the time of local law enforcement who will have to stop by the local flying fields and check RC flyers registrations.
3. Provide yet another government database that is inaccurate and not maintained.
This is another of example of poorly thought out "pre-crime" law. The only one who will likely ever be prosecuted under this law is some poor soul that forgot to renew his registration.
Well said !
And very accurate !

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11-18-2015 01:40 PM  22 months agoPost 35
jharkin

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HeimD-

Thanks, you just proved my point. You pre-judge people without even knowing them and do not listen.

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11-18-2015 01:43 PM  22 months agoPost 36
rcmiket

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2. Waste the time of local law enforcement who will have to stop by the local flying fields and check RC flyers registrations.
Really? Do you know what the average response time by local law enforcement to actual crime is?

Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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11-18-2015 02:11 PM  22 months agoPost 37
GREYEAGLE

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Some pretty nutty stuff here : Especially in reguard's / reference too the Constitution. Just hope they are AMERICAN and spent their very own hard cash for education. Got Gypped

Bottom line : It is a removal of a ONCE Civil Liberty or a Notch in our plate of FREEDOM.

Some times Civil Liberties must be restricted do to STUPIDITY or RISK to the Public " Greater Good " for a population because many are IGNORANT about RISK. {Unlimited applications} - You can't Fix Stupid

Their is a definite intentional purpose to put Video via aerial on DATA stream " Information " ; IT's FUN and COOL !! For the wonderful Hobbyist who INVENTED IT ! the application. It's also crushing and defeating OUR Liberty -giving it up.

60 Year's ago it was Sputnick and Vanguard and project CORONA :

With the Flying Eyeballs : ALL your Civil Liberties have been given up WILLINGLY. Just like the Camera Phone - Privacy was given up-

Just One of many applications - Loose Lip's Sink Ships !

greyeagle

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11-18-2015 02:16 PM  22 months agoPost 38
HeimD

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You pre-judge people without even knowing them
Knowing *them* specifically is not required. Being very familiar with the *type* is all that is needed.

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11-18-2015 02:20 PM  22 months agoPost 39
HeimD

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Really? Do you know what the average response time by local law enforcement to actual crime is?
It isn't always about response time. Simply patrolling could jam a lot of people up. Where I fly, cops drive through every now and then looking for vagrants, druggies, etc since it's a large undeveloped area. They always just smile and wave at us and even sometimes stop for a few minutes to watch. Never an issue. But, that's right now. Who knows what could happen in the future. Those patrols and Officer Friendly stops could very easily become fishing expeditions for registration and whatnot. Response time isn't a factor...because they're already there...

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11-18-2015 03:00 PM  22 months agoPost 40
elmobad

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So go ahead, be my guest and "NOT COMPLY" Just realize that you are not Rosa Parks or Ghandi. This is not an issue of basic liberty and freedom, there is going to be no public outcry of support for you on this one. This is a matter of big boy toys putting peoples lives in danger when used improperly and the general public is not likely to be on your side this time if they beleive you are going against public safety.
I have been flying small and large R/C planes and Helicopters for over 25 years. I personally know 50+ R/C pilots. I have not seen one not one in 25 years even come close to be used improperly. So for this government to impose anything on the laws of common sense, is asinine. To think that a person who is going to be involved in dangerous actions, is going to say "oh poop" I can't fly my toy around a airport cause I am regestered. Is like thinking a bank robber would say "never mind we cant rob that bank I had to register my gun"

Stupid is as stupid does

The government is saying that we need the government to protect us from us, because we are ALL THAT STUPID. Um NO sir. I WILL NOT FREAKING COMPLY!!
Rosa Parks or Ghandi.
Wow, that was ignorant.

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