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10-25-2015 04:48 PM  26 months agoPost 1
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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I have as well I try to be as safe as possible

I don't fly if people kid's or animals are near me, I won't even hover a craft if this is the case.

I have permission to fly at my locale football field and so I am my own safety police since its the only place in my city I can operate my copter in.

last weekend my park was closed so I and my friend decided to go to the
public park that he flies in which ended up smaller than I thought.

I always practise safety since I have 1000's of viewers,

my cameraman and friend decided to stand 40 feet away from me and use the 40x optical zoom and he captures people walking 100 feet behind me while
hovering not doing any 3d just hovering I didn't even see them they were so far away still I hate it when this happens.

most of my viewers have common sense and can judge the distance between me
and people who accidently pop up in my backdrop which rarely ever happens

if you use a public park remember you have our hobby in your hands so fly safe and keep away from people.

shoe salesman should not try to police RC pilots

Watch at YouTube

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10-25-2015 06:04 PM  26 months agoPost 2
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Now my only complaint would be if you tried this yesterday n that ailerion servo let loose we would be possibly talking about this from a different point of view ?? Just saying be carefull flying any thing can let loose at a moments notice and it start raining heli parts so the less we involve others in the equazation the better. I won't judge you as i fly at school fields and private strip n the township park during lunch when kiddies are in school. I do have AMA insu to protect my me n others property but with that we are restricted to their rules about houses n people with in flight zone I do believe they limit the house to a mile away ??

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10-25-2015 06:30 PM  26 months agoPost 3
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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they limit the house to a mile away ??
I'm not sure bout that I would think that rule would apply to multirotor machines that have camera attached.
during lunch when kiddies are in school.
Same here early morning Monday thru Friday 8 am to 2 pm is the best

I am also in the process of renewing my ama since they closed down
arbor park where most of the none ama pilots flew

once I get my ama I will be joining the Carson field pilots so I can finally
get the space I want and need to really practise 3d with my big birds.
I won't judge you

BTW Santiago AKA MoneyPitVictim

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10-25-2015 06:51 PM  26 months agoPost 4
junkpilot

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Alamogordo N.M.

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Public parks

Everyone that reads this should know! AMA insurance will only cover your
losses if you are flying at a sanctioned feild or a sanctioned event.
That means no coverage anywhere else in the world so don't go thinking
you're good at the local park.
Don't beleive me---Look it up in your handook that you got when you paid your dues.
Junkpilot

When you fly JUNK it's hard to tell when you've crashed!

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10-25-2015 06:57 PM  26 months agoPost 5
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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10-25-2015 07:47 PM  26 months agoPost 6
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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junkpilot
Public parks
Everyone that reads this should know! AMA insurance will only cover your
losses if you are flying at a sanctioned feild or a sanctioned event.
That means no coverage anywhere else in the world so don't go thinking
you're good at the local park.
Don't beleive me---Look it up in your handook that you got when you paid your dues.
Junkpilot
MAN makes me want my ama even more.
and they say nothing about sanctioned fields only, info right from their website
http://www.modelaircraft.org/member...p/overview.aspx
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$2,500,000 Comprehensive General Liability Protection for model activities

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10-25-2015 09:05 PM  26 months agoPost 7
JuanRodriguez

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@ WC.....

You forgot to review the AMA's "safety code" ....here is a portion of the code (found on the AMA site) for your review.....specifically, the part in bold and underlined.....

While you can fly at a "private" site and still be covered by the AMA, you need to have PERMISSION from the landowner (preferably in writing) in able to do so....Years ago, a group of us obtained permission to fly on private property and the AMA issued a certificate of insurance to the landowner specifying that he was covered by the AMA....

That being said, you can try to convince yourself that what you are doing at A PUBLIC PARK is "safe and legal" but in reality , it is neither safe or legal.

Your butt is not going to be covered by the AMA should you have an accident and you may not only be civilly liable but criminally liable as well should you have an equipment malfunction, fly-away, or someone just runs up behind you and into your helicopter resulting in injury.....

In NYS such conduct is called Reckless Endangerment...... nothing to do with "intent" (ie, "I didn't mean to do it".....No sure what the laws are where you live but I'm sure they are probably comparable....

EDIT: Just saw in one of your other threads....isn't this the very same heli you found a stripped servo horn on luckily on the ground ?? YIKES !!! Imagine what would have happened if that servo failed in flight !!!!

B. RADIO CONTROL (RC) 1. All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures and shall avoid endangerment of life and property of others. 2. A successful radio equipment ground-range check in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations will be completed before the first flight of a new or repaired model aircraft. 3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place. (AMA Document #706.) (a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are allowed at or in front of the safety line.(b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established. (c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for spectators. (d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited. 4. RC model aircraft must use the radio-control frequencies currently allowed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Only individuals properly licensed by the FCC are authorized to operate equipment on Amateur Band frequencies. 5. RC model aircraft will not knowingly operate within three (3) miles of any pre-existing flying site without a frequency-management agreement. (AMA Documents #922 and #923.) 6. With the exception of events flown under official AMA Competition Regulations, excluding takeoff and landing, no powered model may be flown outdoors closer than 25 feet to any individual, except for the pilot and the pilot's helper(s) located at the flightline. 7. Under no circumstances may a pilot or other person touch an outdoor model aircraft in flight while it is still under power, except to divert it from striking an individual. 8. RC night flying requires a lighting system providing the pilot with a clear view of the model’s attitude and orientation at all times. Hand-held illumination systems are inadequate for night flying operations. 9. The pilot of an RC model aircraft shall: (a) Maintain control during the entire flight, maintaining visual contact without enhancement other than by corrective lenses prescribed for the pilot. (b) Fly using the assistance of a camera or First-Person View (FPV) only in accordance with the procedures outlined in AMA Document #550. (c) Fly using the assistance of autopilot or stabilization system only in accordance with the procedures outlined in AMA Document #560. C

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

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10-25-2015 09:29 PM  26 months agoPost 8
revmix

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NJ

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if you use a public park remember
what about noise & exhaust, perhaps the reason people leaving
public parks or areas NOT designated for safe RC model flying.

AMA's fault for leading on

The insurance covers you whether you choose to fly at an AMA club field, park, backyard or wherever.
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t798184p1/

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10-25-2015 10:07 PM  26 months agoPost 9
dkshema

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Everyone that reads this should know! AMA insurance will only cover your losses if you are flying at a sanctioned feild or a sanctioned event.
1. There is no such thing as an "AMA sanctioned field." Clubs which are chartered through the AMA have the benefit providing liability insurance to the landowner; the liability insurance is provided by the AMA. Each club negotiates whatever arrangement it can with the land owner, and usually, the AMA insurance is a large part of being able to use the land. Each AMA chartered club requires anyone who uses their site, to be an AMA member to make sure they and their landowner(s) are appropriately insured.

2. If you take the time to actually read your AMA stuff when you get it, you will find that the AMA insurance covers you, WHEREVER YOU FLY, AS LONG AS YOU FLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH the Published AMA SAFETY CODE.

You are NOT required to fly at a site operated by an AMA chartered club.

If you have permission to fly (and it would be good to get that in writing wherever possible), and if you fly prudently, in accordance with the safety code, you should be good to go. Of course if you don't have permission, that's most likely trespassing, and you're not going to be covered for your actions should something happen.

AMA insurance is "secondary" to any other liability insurance you may currently have. You own liability insurance would be Primary, AMA kicks in if you have no other insurance, or if your primary coverage says "no".

AMA insurance won't cover your losses, it will cover your liability, two different animals.

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10-26-2015 02:14 AM  26 months agoPost 10
Flys4Fun

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irresponsible fliers, a nuisance as dangerous as the fpv droners

If you are flying near anyone within 1/4 mile who has no idea of the danger of rc models, especially helis, then you are irresponsible period, insurance or not. Insurance cant bring a innocent bystander back to life or regrow a lost limb.

I remember a story of a while ago where two guys who were fliers were by their car and a guy flying a Logo out in the field lost control quite a distance away and they didnt even hear it coming until it was on top of them, close they didnt die but serious injuries sustained by one guy last I heard.and if you dont have a good flying place or arent willing to drive to a safe location to fly, them you are selfish and put others at risk by your selfishness to fly your toy wherever you want to. planes and helis have mammed and killed more than once, to convince me they are safe regardless of the pilots skill level would be a joke.

I almost got hit by a dumbass flying a rc plane in a parking lot at a public park I brought my family to. Absolutely ridiculous and he got some choice words from me.

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10-26-2015 03:50 AM  26 months agoPost 11
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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you can try to convince yourself that what you are doing at A PUBLIC PARK is "safe and legal"
if there is no one their that's safe enough for me and since I have permission from the people paid to run the park that makes it legal in my book
if I didn't have permission would make it trespassing then I'd be breaking the law

irresponsible fliers, a nuisance as dangerous as the fpv droners
If you are flying near anyone within 1/4 mile who has no idea of the danger of rc models, especially helis, then you are irresponsible period
+1
You are NOT required to fly at a site operated by an AMA chartered club.
If you have permission to fly (and it would be good to get that in writing wherever possible),
thank you ill see what I can do to get written permission
to fly in the football field that gave me permission.

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10-26-2015 04:09 AM  26 months agoPost 12
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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I almost got hit by a dumbass flying a RC plane in a parking lot at a public park I brought my family to. Absolutely ridiculous and he got some choice words from me.
let me back peddle a little bit

I don't fly in public parks because of dog's and kids

last time I flew in my public park cost me 150 bucks and was nobody's fault, but mines people belong in public parks, not air craft

so I invited a friend over to fly at the football field
but it was closed so he invited me to fly in a public park that was kind of empty at the time I just got caught off guard

I've learned long time ago that an empty public park can get crowded real fast when you try to fly a heli in them kid's and dogs come out from nowhere.

so oops I flew at a public park lost more than my mind that morning

Thank goodness the football field allows me to fly there
actually 2 football field long and if people show up at my field
I am on my half of the field if they come near me i go home.

but a good idea for me to make a video explaining to my beginner audience
how kids and dogs can come out of the woodwork when they think it's empty
public park is a bad place to fly models depending on where you live you may have a nice empty public park to fly in I have seen them

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10-26-2015 04:52 AM  26 months agoPost 13
HeimD

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Everyone that reads this should know! AMA insurance will only cover your losses if you are flying at a sanctioned feild or a sanctioned event. That means no coverage anywhere else in the world so don't go thinking you're good at the local park. Don't beleive me---Look it up in your handook that you got when you paid your dues.
Junkpilot
Wrong. You fail.

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10-26-2015 04:56 AM  26 months agoPost 14
HeimD

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2. If you take the time to actually read your AMA stuff when you get it, you will find that the AMA insurance covers you, WHEREVER YOU FLY, AS LONG AS YOU FLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH the Published AMA SAFETY CODE.
Exactly. I guess people don't realize the AMA has an entirely separate PARK FLYER membership, with its own magazine, specifically for flying in...parks...

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10-26-2015 05:15 AM  26 months agoPost 15
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Exactly. I guess people don't realize the AMA has an entirely separate PARK FLYER membership, with its own magazine, specifically for flying in...parks...
well I hope people know what kind of public park a person can fly in
because the ones I've been to kids and pets come out of the bushes when I tried lol.

once I watched a dude fly at a public park and a 6-year-old kid came up from behind him and tried to take his tx out of his hands kid had broke away from his mother I was the camera man.

I hate flying and I don't fly in public parks in my neighborhood
not to mention the people that always will walk under a heli while its flying

but if you have a public park that is truly empty your a lucky pilot
I'd like to say don't invite me but id go check it out but I won't be as stupid as i was when I hovered that gasser in a public park.

while I've seen guys doing mad 3d in a public park what i did was
not enough for a person to have a meltdown over and call me a unsafe pilot

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10-26-2015 01:32 PM  26 months agoPost 16
ICUR1-2

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I have flown in public parks when I had some one with me to act as a spotter.
I prefer to fly elsewhere as people are ignorant to the hobby and will endanger themselves.
So I use empty lots or vacant schools yards or the odd soccer field.
I have a lot of choices, living in the suburbs.

If a hobbyist's used good judgement and practiced safety then there should be no need for liability insurance.

spending time, paying attention

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10-26-2015 05:27 PM  26 months agoPost 17
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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well a public park is no place for aircraft fuel or electric

I fly at a football field when I'm there it might be 2 people to none there
I have flown in public parks when I had someone with me to act as a spotter.
I had spotter before didn't work for me public parks is a no go for me
unless maybe it's very very big in the middle of nowhere.

public parks are for the public.

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10-26-2015 06:55 PM  26 months agoPost 18
LaDon

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Well I fly at a public park. They have had a spot for radio control for 40 years now. We do have to look out once in a while when ppl let the dogs loose but for the most part most ppl are like wow that is cool. Wish I could do that. I say you can here is my number I will help but nobody ever takes me up on it

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10-26-2015 07:03 PM  26 months agoPost 19
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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LaDon
Well I fly at a public park. They have had a spot for radio control for 40 years now. We do have to look out once in a while when ppl let the dogs loose but for the most part most ppl are like wow that is cool. Wish I could do that. I say you can here is my number I will help but nobody ever takes me up on it
Must be a really large park I bet

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10-26-2015 09:34 PM  26 months agoPost 20
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Parks

Our park commission will issue badges to allow us to fly at certain parks. My favorite is the old soccer complex. It is 89 acres with a few trees. But if people do show up. I put aircraft on the ground and ride 6 mins home.

WC.... I think they may be right. Your heli gets loose and takes off. It will cover ground quick. 100ft at 50mph doesn't give you much time to ditch it. Be glad when you can let the big birds fly at your local AMA field. But the plankers will prolly hate on you.

Take care. Everyone wants to shoot a drone down where I live.

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