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10-17-2015 05:21 PM  31 months agoPost 1
Santiago P

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Best 7 minute speech I've ever heard

Watch at YouTube

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10-18-2015 05:33 AM  31 months agoPost 2
grim.the.grim

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Wow....why is he not running for President???

The second amendment is the only right that is refused or the only right that requires a permit to exercise in most states.

Our founding fathers are not only turning in their graves but probably regretting the formation of this nation. We have become a nation of socialists and tit sucking naives.

What a sad outcome for what was once the greatest and strongest nation.

Thank you Obama and all you blind followers; keep drinking the kool-aid. We will soon be the third world country you all want us to be!

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10-18-2015 05:48 AM  31 months agoPost 3
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The second amendment is the only right that is refused or the only right that requires a permit to exercise in most states.
actually every single right has been violated in some form or fashion to suit those in power. there are cases upon cases in which every single right has been violated, I read a book a while back titled "Saving our Bill of Rights" and in it are documented cases in which the government or those in power violated peoples rights to get what they wanted.

The Bill of Rights is only allowed until its an inconvenience.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-18-2015 06:00 AM  31 months agoPost 4
grim.the.grim

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The Bill of Rights is only allowed until its an inconvenience.
Its sad that "We the People" allow that....

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10-18-2015 06:01 AM  31 months agoPost 5
Dennis (RIP)

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The Bill of Rights is only allowed until its an inconvenience.
And we can easily loose the Bill Of Rights unless we defend it.

Freedom is not free.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-18-2015 07:07 AM  31 months agoPost 6
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Arizona eliminated it's concealed carry permit a few years ago because it really doesn't make sense to have to have a permit for a right. Seems to me a few other states have done the same.

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10-18-2015 08:33 AM  31 months agoPost 7
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The only people that complain about someone carrying a gun are government GOOFS.....

But all the government goofs shure love to carry a gun and be surounded by people with guns....

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10-19-2015 04:56 PM  31 months agoPost 8
Santiago P

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But all the government goofs shure love to carry a gun and be surounded by people with guns....
so true and ironic
Wow....why is he not running for President???
Thinking the same, very eloquent and writes his own.
Unlike we know who, which without a teleprompter would sound as smart as Gore...

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10-19-2015 09:40 PM  31 months agoPost 9
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You have to be a millionaire or be able to raise multiple millions in order to run. Unless you are a celebrity......

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10-21-2015 03:35 PM  31 months agoPost 10
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I watched it.

zzzzzzzz......

Lets see.

First off everyone who harps on the "shall not infringe" line in the 2nd amendment conveniently leave out the "well regulated militia" line that actually comes first in the text. The constitution is subject to interpretation by the courts; and courts for many years have interpreted that to mean that regulation, short of outright ban, is permitted by the amendment as written. The NRA itself has supported this view in the past (supporting hte 1968 firearms act for example) before they went off the deep and recently.

Why not regulate knives, hammer, doctors? Well becasue all of those have other uses besides killing. Guns have only one purpose - killing. there is no non lethal use for a gun. Target shooting is simply practice for the lethal use.

Why regulate at all? Because the US has had more mass shootings in the last decade than the entire rest of the civilized world combined - and the majority of those shootings are done with legally purchased firearms. The existing rules are not working.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...their-guns.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...mass-shootings/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-united-states/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...their_guns.html
http://csgv.org/blog/2013/mass-shootings-by-good-guys/

But wait, what about getting the mentally ill treatment so they wont want to kill? That would be great, but it would mean actually supporting and funding world class acess to healthcare, something else the right opposes. You guys cant have it both ways.

I actually use to be an avid target shooter... The attitude of the gun lobby and NRA compltely soured me on the hobby and the disregard for the carnage caused really saddens me.

It also saddens me when people claim to be devout Christians and then claim that the solution to violence is more violence. You need to go reread the book.

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10-21-2015 04:16 PM  31 months agoPost 11
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I disagree with some of what you stated.
Why regulate at all? Because the US has had more mass shootings in the last decade than the entire rest of the civilized world combined -
Not true I hope you're not Obama.! The middle East alone ll prove you wrong from the horn of Africa to the doorstep of Iraq, let alone some 3rd world country.
But wait, what about getting the mentally ill treatment so they wont want to kill? That would be great, but it would mean actually supporting and funding world class acess to healthcare, something else the right opposes. You guys cant have it both ways.
This is beyond insanity to think that we can institutionalized people
to prevent an act, what about those who's minds yet to go unsound.?

I use to be against gun as I had share some your sentiment here but
take my country for instance, only the thugs have gun and the police,
and those without gun is taking the heat from boths thugs/police,
I know for a fact the majority of those die in vain only if they could shoot back I have hugh hope the'd still be here with us.

This is not going to be an easy fix, one thing we can start with is
a robust background check and help the system keep gun out of the minds of the unsound hands

And family stop pretending their kids or love one is safe in public when they aren't.

I don't support giving gun to teacher "simply" because there's no perfect human they can lose it too and kids will be more expose to mass murder.
The attitude of the gun lobby and NRA compltely soured me on the hobby 
I can't blame them for being stubborn they're protecting their livelihood and I don't know who wouldn't.?

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-21-2015 05:43 PM  31 months agoPost 12
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I use to be against gun as I had share some your sentiment here but
take my country for instance, only the thugs have gun and the police,
and those without gun is taking the heat from boths thugs/police.
Holy crap...that is the smartest thing I have EVER heard you say!

To truly understand the world and the "how and why" things happen to people you have to see things from perspectives other than your own and actually put yourself in those positions and give an honest evaluation of how YOU would respond and feel. This is why majority of liberal policies will not work, they see things only from a Utopian point of view and not the harsh reality that humans will always seek to get over on society to better themselves, be it legal or not.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-21-2015 06:46 PM  31 months agoPost 13
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Not true I hope you're not Obama.! The middle East alone ll prove you wrong from the horn of Africa to the doorstep of Iraq, let alone some 3rd world country.
You are including warzones. Im talking civil criminal acts of mass murder in advanced democracies - not warzones and insurgencies.
This is beyond insanity to think that we can institutionalized people
to prevent an act, what about those who's minds yet to go unsound.?
But this is the alternate solution that the NRA is proposing - better health care for the mentally ill. Im all for it, but yet the conservative right is also blocking all efforts to improve healthcare.
This is not going to be an easy fix, one thing we can start with is
a robust background check and help the system keep gun out of the minds of the unsound hands
We are supposed to already have such a system in place but its obviously not working. If the NRA wants to get onboard with fixing it I am all for it. I actually do not want any universal ban on guns, just strong protections that keep them out of the hands of people with bad intent. (as best we can tell - we wont be perfect)
I don't support giving gun to teacher "simply" because there's no perfect human they can lose it too and kids will be more expose to mass murder.
On that point we agree.

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10-21-2015 10:07 PM  31 months agoPost 14
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You are including warzones. Im talking civil criminal acts of mass murder in advanced democracies - not warzones and insurgencies.
I think you mean random act of violence. No one can prevent them and I didn't highlights a particular incident.

And you can't separate any, terror or none terror. It's still life taken and gun is the weapon and people are the culprit.

keep in mind Liberal isn't against gun simple because they care about the life being taken by gun, this has to
With the fact that they're not part of the NRA monies poly].

their's a political correctness for all their nonsense on gun control RM3 just gave a good example.

They attack gun over pure emotions and hypocritical resonance.

You just have to look more keenly and apply the tail to the donkey.

take for instance if they get successful and Rid the place of gun their still going to be murder,

see the palistine they are stabing Israelies now they don't need gun maybe Israel should start banning knives now and let see if that will stop murder.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-21-2015 11:41 PM  31 months agoPost 15
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Or New York where it was illegal to carry a knife so the "law abiding" citizens carried screwdrivers instead.

Our ignorance shows when we give all this power to an inanimate object and refuse to address the real problem, people.

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10-22-2015 05:40 PM  31 months agoPost 16
es1co2bar3

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Its all about Emotions nothing to do with fact.
Here it is again they make gun the culprit and not people, can people really show how small their minds is.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/opini...oint/index.html

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-23-2015 03:53 PM  31 months agoPost 17
Santiago P

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Our ignorance shows when we give all this power to an inanimate object and refuse to address the real problem, people
Well said!

And by the way, if "one" does not understand the concept of the well regulated militia as intended by our forefathers, you should go back to History 101.
Evidently some watched the video, but did not hear a word.

Folks keeps blaming the inanimate object in question with the evil the people do.

by all mean lets eliminate, cars, air transportation, and doctors, since they kill more than anything else.

Better yet, leave all that alone, and you, gun personifiers, MOVE OUT of this country. See how you like it elsewhere.

For once understand that the problem is not GUN VIOLENCE, but VIOLENCE itself. Take the gun off, and the violent perpetrator will use anything from their nails up to a bomb, a car, plane, or worse.

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10-23-2015 04:02 PM  31 months agoPost 18
Dennis (RIP)

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Better yet, leave all that alone, and you, gun personifiers, MOVE OUT of this country. See how you like it elsewhere.
What part of, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand.

Every single time restrictions on the 2nd amendment has gone to SCOTUS they ruled in favor of gun owners.

Every single time.

Please, get over yourself.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-23-2015 04:12 PM  31 months agoPost 19
Santiago P

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Dennis, not what I meant. (gun personifiers = folks who personify a gun/object as something that has a will)
I agree with you.

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10-23-2015 05:04 PM  31 months agoPost 20
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