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10-21-2015 02:23 PM  26 months agoPost 101
revmix

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I don't know if it has been mentioned, but
read the posts too & don't just write

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10-21-2015 02:41 PM  26 months agoPost 102
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Yes, It can be done.

It will work the way all law enforcement works ... bayonet the wounded after the fact.

If you wreck, they will be able to identify the carnage or maybe the flight controller by serial number. If that does not exist, they fall back on conventional investigation, when and if they find the culprit, they have a law to charge them with.

Did you hear them talking about systems to locate the transmitter? I find it hard to do with all the 2.4ghz wireless home phones, the 2.4ghz routers and other commercial devices operating on the 2.4ghz frequency. If they do invent a device capable of separating RC flight controls and pinpointing their origin, then the guys operating near airports are toast. The fines could be staggering as they should be.

Now, what about all the autonomous flights and the long range signals? The source could be 20km away from the aircraft. Still standard transmitter location can apply, just a larger search area.

The laws have to exist before charges can be brought. Good lawyers can get the murder suspects off, so why not RC criminals?
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10-21-2015 02:53 PM  26 months agoPost 103
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find the culprit
radio/control can't be blamed but the player has to be identified like the busted clone

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10-21-2015 03:27 PM  26 months agoPost 104
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Heck yah DrDot! I think that should be our new war cry!

This hobby is like Kryptonite to chicks!

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10-21-2015 03:33 PM  26 months agoPost 105
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I like the shirt idea too but I have to say that FPV racing quads aren't drones. They are limited in range and if you are racing them rarely get more than 30 feet in altitude, generally staying on a closed course. We race in my back yard and the FPV stuff is not even in the same league as a Phantom III or Align 690 in terms of autonomy and autonomy is really what we are talking about with Drones. If you've flown a PIII you know exactly what I'm talking about. It's not really piloting in the literal sense, it's more of an aerial appliance.

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10-21-2015 04:33 PM  26 months agoPost 106
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Well the government is not going to distinguish among all the aircraft. They are going to register all of them.
might, according to this, the law always leaves a loophole
setting up a 25- to 30-member task force including government and industry officials and hobbyists. They'll recommend which drones should be required to register and which should be exempted,

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10-21-2015 05:10 PM  26 months agoPost 107
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Well, lets hope that there is some intelligence in making the decisions on what needs to be registered.
Obviously this doesn't need to be registered. While this one has no camera, I expect shortly these tiny toys will have cameras.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-21-2015 05:15 PM  26 months agoPost 108
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Within months those tiny "drones" will have cameras. The real problem is television shows are depicting drones as possible weapons and that creates hysteria in the news. I really have a problem with an airline pilot traveling at approx. 200 mph at 4,000 feet being able to see a drone the size of a large computer in the air. Heck if my helicopter gets more than 150 feet away I sometimes have trouble with orientation.

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10-21-2015 06:01 PM  26 months agoPost 109
TheMainShaft

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Here are some other reasons registration is a bad idea:

1. It's illegal.

From H.R.658 - 112th Congress:

"(Sec. 336) Prohibits the FAA Administrator from promulgating rules or regulations on model aircraft flown strictly for hobby or recreational purposes and meeting certain other criteria."

Now, I know the FAA has re-interpreted this section to suit their purposes and no one has challenged them on it and if no one does they will probably get away with it.

2. Like guns, only law abiding citizens will register. The trouble makers (the ones we are really after) will not.

3. Government data bases are notoriously inaccurate. The problem is your identity information and the association with the proper drone is mostly manually entered. Therefore subject to error. It is never verified and rarely updated. If a mistake is made, it's your problem to prove it. Which means lots of legal expenses and time.

4. Registration enforcement will probably fall to the local police. They will do the best job they can by randomly stopping by the local rc fields and doing registration checks. Once again only checking the law abiding citizen while totally ignoring the real violators.

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10-21-2015 06:04 PM  26 months agoPost 110
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micro category is the mitigating factor

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10-21-2015 06:17 PM  26 months agoPost 111
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From H.R.658 - 112th Congress:
also states that Safety Code is necessary
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
and this too regarding S.C., i.e. identification on r/c model a/c
(b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue
enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system.
It's illegal
registration falls into enforcement classification

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10-21-2015 08:43 PM  26 months agoPost 112
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Ok so I am a law abiding citizen and register my drone. If I crash it do I have to unregister (sp) it?

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10-21-2015 08:58 PM  26 months agoPost 113
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Somebody other than the FAA administrator can drop all the rules they want on us.

But whatever.
Ok so I am a law abiding citizen and register my drone. If I crash it do I have to unregister (sp) it?
Yes, and pay an estate tax on it (cause it died).

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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10-21-2015 09:42 PM  26 months agoPost 114
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But whatever.
FAA's action is according to DOT policy, unlikely that any lawmakers would allow hobby to bring down a gov. agency

https://www.transportation.gov/

https://www.transportation.gov/brie...ft-registration

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10-21-2015 10:32 PM  26 months agoPost 115
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The registration idea is simply more proof that our federal government is incompetent. Just like with gun laws, the criminals and scofflaws will simply disobey. Most laws, rules etc. do nothing but place a burden on law abiding citizens.

Education is the best option. Make those wanting to buy RC radio equipment get a certificate after successfully passing a Safety Course. Make the certificate a requirement of purchasing an RC radio system, including the ones included in the RTF models.

Certification is done for hunting and scuba. It works for those activities. It would also work for "drones."

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10-21-2015 10:46 PM  26 months agoPost 116
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Education is the best option
AMA folded with its approach, realized talk is cheap

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10-21-2015 10:54 PM  26 months agoPost 117
TheMainShaft

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Requiring registration sure sounds like regulation to me. They are controlling the conditions under which I can fly. But, I am not an attorney.

There are plenty of laws already on the books that prohibit interference with full scale aircraft fight, with stiff penalty. The FAA may enforce those all it wants.

Which I believe would be a much better alternative than a multi billion dollar system (that we will pay for) which will not solve the problem.

Notice they have not told us what actions they have already taken and why they are inadequate. I think a few agents monitoring major airports would produce better results.

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10-22-2015 02:44 PM  26 months agoPost 118
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This never gets old. The quintessential definition of an "aerial appliance operator". These machines may become as ubiquitous as the stove, refrigerator, washers and dryers.

Watch at YouTube

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10-22-2015 02:52 PM  26 months agoPost 119
Heli_Splatter

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Is there something wrong with everyone benefiting from flying? The more the merrier.

So what if the guy on TV crashed... he was turning around to fly nose in... it takes some practice, he did not have.

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10-22-2015 03:04 PM  26 months agoPost 120
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There are plenty of laws already on the books that prohibit interference with full scale aircraft fight, with stiff penalty. The FAA may enforce those all it wants.
funny or ain't, amateurs want to tell the professionals how to run the sky,
AMA says that FAR-AIM rules don't apply to models, so FAA has no choice but include r/c into the aviation system according to section 336

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