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06-29-2015 03:00 AM  35 months agoPost 101
Dennis (RIP)

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I never said it was LEGAL to prohibit gay marriage. It's not. There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits gay marriage. Period. But the Constitution will also not prohibit bestiality, incest, pedophilia, promiscuity, cuckoldry, etc. You will not find a single legal leg to stand on when these things come up for societal acceptance. And they will.
Actually, it did.

Some state constitutions described marriage in the traditional manner. In a lot of states, which made gay marriage illegal. When ever gay marriage came up for public vote. Each and every single time that happened it was voted down. Then, a few activist judges got in the mix and over ran the people's votes and ruled gay marriage legal.

That's why the other things you mentioned very likely to become law as well. According to the recent SCOTUS decision gay marriage is a civil rights issue and is now the law of the land. All the other issues you mentioned will, in time become law if the land as well.

That is if we survive. That is increasingly in doubt. Not because of gay marriage by itself as a single issue. But rather because of everything else that will follow as a result of that issue.

Its said that there is a high price to pay for freedom. Does that mean that freedom is not permanent? It appears it is not.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 03:09 AM  35 months agoPost 102
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Some state constitutions described marriage in the traditional manner. In a lot of states, gay marriage came up for public vote. Each and every single time that happened it was voted down. Then, a few activist judges got in the mix and over ran the people's votes and ruled gay marriage legal.
Nope. Still doesn't work. States cannot usurp the fed. A perfect example is a gun ban. Liberal California can vote for a gun ban, and yet still it will be overturned by the SCOTUS.

A vote does not mean something is law.

This is the reason the Constitution says "Congress shall make no law..." It puts the LAW above the VOTE.

Similarly, the gay marriage agenda used the Fourteenth Amendment, however flawed it is. So the "law" of that individual state didn't stand.

With any luck, we can use this outcome to prove that the US Constitution is superior to all state constitutions and can overturn some stupid crap. This ought to put a stake in the grave of the gun debate.

Course all of this following the Constitution is only as powerful as the will of the people. In theory, 80% of people could vote to get rid of free speech but the law wouldn't allow it. But when 80% of people want something, and become a mob, it may not matter what the book says. Our Constitution ultimately will give way to the will of the people....and OMG watch out when that happens.

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06-29-2015 03:19 AM  35 months agoPost 103
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Our Constitution ultimately will give way to the will of the people....and OMG watch out
By those words, you just said the will of the people can override the constitution. Is that you intended to say?

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 03:24 AM  35 months agoPost 104
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Yup. When the mob decides that they want to ignore it, and will fight to that end, it's finished.

Not saying this is my position. I'm saying this is reality.

If you REALLY don't think that a human wave of antiConstitutionalists could not destroy the law of this land you have NEVER looked at history. Republics fell ALL throughout history.

Why?

Because at some point, people don't want to be told what to do and will rebel against the law.

So you're damn right I'm saying:
the will of the people can override the constitution
Which is of course unconstitutional.

But you think this is beyond possibility?

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06-29-2015 03:28 AM  35 months agoPost 105
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But you think this is beyond possibility
Once clarified, I see your point.

Having said that, and in these times, the mob is the democrat party.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 03:37 AM  35 months agoPost 106
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And sometimes the republican.

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06-29-2015 03:57 AM  35 months agoPost 107
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Not hardly. You don't see Republicans being the Walls street thugs, the pro pot pushers, the pro same sex folks, the lets make them all legal immigrants, lets grab their guns....on and on and on.

Don't get me wrong, their are nut jobs on both sides...unfortunately, the far left has the FREAK POTUS and now the SCOTUS on their side....

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06-29-2015 04:01 AM  35 months agoPost 108
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Like I said. I see some good in this. (Legally, we know how I feel spiritually) But Legally. Can use this precedent to fix gun laws. No longer does CA or NY have a leg to stand on with such restrictive gun laws. Those laws should fail by the EXACT SAME standard by which gay marriage bans failed.

Lets push for nationwide concealed carry. It'll pass, or show the left's hypocrisy. Either way. A positive.

States must choose either concealed carry or open carry. They cannot tell you to leave it at home. Otherwise it'd just be a right to "keep" arms. You have the right to "bear" them. That means on your person. Open carry or concealed carry. Every state. It's the only Constitutional way. And don't let a state tell you they can ignore the Constitution. We just proved with the overturn of marriage bans that a state cannot ignore the constitution.

Seem the perfect opportunity to get this going.

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06-29-2015 04:10 AM  35 months agoPost 109
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Lets push for nationwide concealed carry. It'll pass, or show the left's hypocrisy. Either way. A positive.
I would rather wait until I see a large majority in both houses and a prez who shares my views.

Under this prez, there is no chance.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 04:13 AM  35 months agoPost 110
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No. Right now. Make them veto it. Come on. These guys have ducked responsibility at every corner. Make them OWN this one.

Waiting will give you Hillary and a liberal SCOTUS until we're all dead.

With any chance, an Obama SCOTUS veto on this will show the hypocrisy of the left and just MAYBE get a more conservative president in 2016.

People will fear for what the SCOTUS has become if it will pick and choose issues in an extraConstitutional fashion. But you have to open their eyes.

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06-29-2015 04:30 AM  35 months agoPost 111
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Its said that there is a high price to pay for freedom. Does that mean that freedom is not permanent? It appears it is not.
Of course not. It has to be fought for by every generation. It's not enough to have it handed to you.

The price is usually blood.

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06-29-2015 08:45 AM  35 months agoPost 112
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Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
This BS quote has been used to excuse the crimes of Nazis...and those that looked the other way.

After the fact.

That man is best remembered for not doing a thing...while the Shoah was being perpetrated.

They first came for the Jews....not last...they came first for the Jews...and this guy attempts...with others.. to re-write history.

In order to excuse his ilk.

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06-29-2015 10:41 AM  35 months agoPost 113
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Not hardly. You don't see Republicans being the Walls street thugs, the pro pot pushers, the pro same sex folks, the lets make them all legal immigrants, lets grab their guns....on and on and on.
Don't get me wrong, their are nut jobs on both sides...unfortunately, the far left has the FREAK POTUS and now the SCOTUS on their side....
Remember Dick Cheney? There are so many examples of leading republicans supporting the very issues you list.

You guys sure reinforce the need for the separation of church and state.

Res ipsa loquitur.

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06-29-2015 11:03 AM  35 months agoPost 114
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You guys sure reinforce the need for the separation of church and state.
That's not possible.

Our own constitution refers to our "Creator"

For the uneducated, that would be God.

Each new session of congress opens with a prayer delivered by all things a man if God.

References to God are all throughout our federal and state governments and even engraved in our government buildings practically from the moment our country was formed right up until today.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 11:33 AM  35 months agoPost 115
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The entire planet uses a dollar that reads "In GOD we trust".

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06-29-2015 12:49 PM  35 months agoPost 116
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DING, DING, DING! WINNER!

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06-29-2015 12:57 PM  35 months agoPost 117
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Actually, the word creator nor god appear in the US Constitution.

http://constitutioncenter.org/constitution/full-text

Res ipsa loquitur.

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06-29-2015 01:14 PM  35 months agoPost 118
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Pardon me. You are correct.

However, our Declaration of Independence does refer to our "Creator"

That's a fact jack.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-29-2015 01:21 PM  35 months agoPost 119
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The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document.

It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.

This thread has strayed too far from it's original subject of gay marriage. I guess that happens when you don't have a cogent argument.

Res ipsa loquitur.

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06-29-2015 02:24 PM  35 months agoPost 120
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It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.
Since that document dissolved the "Legal" ties from Great Britain and the colonies, by your own words, then It's a "Legal" document.

Please get over yourself.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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