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06-24-2015 03:30 PM  35 months agoPost 1
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Like he would confront a gun man with his bare knuckle.
When a man is behind is tool I aren't go play no hero,

Columbia, South Carolina (CNN)A South Carolina lawmaker who voted against opening debate about whether to remove the Confederate flag from state grounds said his constituents want the flag to remain, and seemed to question why the victims in the Charleston shooting didn't do more to defend themselves.

State Rep. Bill Chumley, a Republican who represents Spartanburg, told CNN on Tuesday that "We need to be focusing on the nine families that are left and see that this doesn't happen again. These people sat in there and waited their turn to be shot. That's sad that somebody in there with the means of self-defense could have stopped this."

RELATED: Confederate flag debate sweeps the South

When asked by CNN's Drew Griffin, "Are you turning this into a gun debate?" Chumley replied, "You said guns. Why didn't somebody just do something? I mean, you got one skinny person shooting a gun. I mean, we need to take and do what you can."

State Rep.: Charleston victims 'waited to be shot' 03:12

Chumley added: "I don't know what the answer was but I know it's really horrible for nine people to be shot, and I understand that he reloaded his gun during the process. That's upsetting."

Chumley also said the whole flag issue was settled in his mind in 2000, when lawmakers voted to place the flag at a Confederate war memorial instead of atop the State House.

"I think the misuse and the miseducation of the flag has pushed it to this point," he said.

"Why do we let hate groups dictate how we feel and how we live?" he added. "Hate groups are everywhere. They're just mean people. We just found that out in Charleston."

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06-24-2015 05:46 PM  35 months agoPost 2
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In a way, he's right. Our natural inclination when being shot at is to freeze or duck. And really, multiple men bum rushing the shooter is the best chance. He'll probably kill one, but they'll get to him before he kills many. It's the best chance for a crowd if faced with a shooter, short of the good guy with a gun. So he's right. But this wasn't the time to bring it up.

We all know that being sheep in the face of a terrorist on board an airplane is no longer the answer. I don't know about you, but if a guy with a knife tries to hijack a plane, the best choice is to get a group of guys to rush his a$$.

The same is going to one day be realized by people regarding mass shooters. Freezing in fear is what gets us all killed.

This IS NOT to say it's their fault! It's a normal, natural reaction to duck and freeze in fear. The army spends HOURS exposing soldiers to loud noises while they conduct operations so that they are able to function. And still some soldiers can't function in real battle. Expecting anything more from civilians is unfair.

What he said was true. But his timing is terrible and lacking in empathy. Furthermore, talking about "should haves" is ALWAYS pointless. The proper way to bring this subject up would be after a time of healing and talking about, how can we react if this happens again?

Like earthquake training. Back in the day, we were taught to hide in a doorway. If a family member died in an earthquake for not knowing to do that, we wouldn't say "ah well they shoulda headed for the doorway!" No. Just no. Wait until some healing has happened. And then bring the subject up in a debate over how to handle future earthquakes.

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06-25-2015 12:24 PM  35 months agoPost 3
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{In a way, he's right

No he's not. Would you attack someone pointing a gun on you...? there is only
1 precint chance that' that gun might Jam ok.
more ever there these grown folks how fast you think they can move to subdue this crazy azz kids.
{but if a guy with a knife tries to hijack a plane, the best choice is to get a group of guys to rush his a$$

You gotta be kidding me bro
everybody want to live no one want to die, i Agree with you tho, but you're
taking the lead

[quote] {What he said was true. But his timing is terrible and lacking in empathy. Furthermore, talking about "should haves" is ALWAYS pointless. The proper way to bring this subject up would be after a time of healing and talking about, how can we react if this happens again?

I am not going to no hero trying to take on a gun man with my bare knuckle
that what this idiot should have think the folks was doing i am sure if they
had something they would've try. rather than let him had pick them who go next.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-25-2015 05:22 PM  35 months agoPost 4
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Like I said. If a group is unwilling to rush a gunman. And no one is able to fire back with a concealed weapon. Then the only course of action is to duck and hope he runs out of ammo before you die. A cold hard reality. I'd hope that one day it's everyone's instinct to fight him. He'll probably only get one or two not nine or more.

Best argument for concealed carry I ever heard is these mass shooters.

Oh and the reason we still have a White House is because men on a plane did exactly that to a terrorist with a knife on 9/11.

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06-25-2015 07:47 PM  35 months agoPost 5
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I know exactly what you're saying but will you be the
1st to volunteer to attack the attacker ?
A guy with a knife is easier to subdue than a gun man. He can only stab 1 people at a time,
You talking about dodging bullet, think not all shooter is stupid.

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06-25-2015 08:15 PM  35 months agoPost 6
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Yeah. Concealed carry is the only realistic answer.

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06-26-2015 04:07 AM  35 months agoPost 7
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I don't think so crime and violence would increase if we do that, we can't control the few gun we have now, how your think we go contains when everyone is allow to carry. Think about the man that just pull the trigger. They didn't have a problem putting a gun in his hand
who know what he was going to do with it?.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-26-2015 05:45 AM  35 months agoPost 8
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You THINK crime would increase. But statistics say otherwise. When states allow concealed carry, crime rates go down.

You are thinking too much like a good person. Remember, the criminals carry regardless. They are more afraid to commit crime if they think a victim might shoot back. Don't forget that while the law says no concealed carry, it says "yes criminals, your targets are fair game."

And no. This isn't my opinion. EVERY time concealed carry is relaxed in an area/state, crime rates go down.

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06-26-2015 05:51 AM  35 months agoPost 9
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My son conceal carries everywhere he goes. Even into so called gun free zones. He does not advertise that or brag about it.

In fact he teaches gun safety courses for kids here in our area in his spare time. He has done that for several years now and is greatly appreciated by many parents here. And he likes doing it.

He is thinking seriously about starting his own company teaching women's gun safety courses. It would be a perfect fit for him and he could make a good living doing that.

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06-26-2015 06:51 AM  35 months agoPost 10
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You gotta be kidding me bro
everybody want to live no one want to die, i Agree with you tho, but you're
taking the lead
Are you a wuss?

I would grab the heaviest overhead bag and play hit the mole

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06-26-2015 11:07 AM  35 months agoPost 11
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That one is a bit hard to swallow.

If I was not the first hit and easily saw what was coming I would attack the shooter with everything I had to save my own skin. Seems that would be a natural reaction rather than sitting on my butt to wait for it to happen. Shooting 9 people sitting in front if you would not be a simple or lightning quick thing to do unless your weapon was on full auto.

Makes one wonder what was really going on there in that church. Perhaps it will come out in time.

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06-26-2015 01:42 PM  35 months agoPost 12
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If  I was not the first hit and easily saw what was coming I would attack the shooter with everything I had to save my own skin.
hero is always in the making Dennis not all are gifted for that.

I have read where at lease 11 conseal carry get kill trying to be hero or cops, some died by the police who not
realizing that they are not the culprits.

Sometimes they do save lives, but Arming everyone I don't think twice about that
keep in mind the SC shooter wanted a race war, So what you think ....?

Conseal carry for all...?

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06-26-2015 01:52 PM  35 months agoPost 13
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Conseal carry for all...?
With proper training, absolutely.

I see all those loony left tough gun laws are still working very well to help wipe out the black race in Chicago.

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06-26-2015 03:52 PM  35 months agoPost 14
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see all those loony left tough gun laws are still working very well to help wipe out the black race in Chicago.
Dennis you are thinking with a bit of insecurity on the gun right thing not just you alone, "many,....I can't begins
to thinks how much damage we would've done trying to fix the problem by worsen it by allowing people to double down on crime of violence.

My heart fell like it stops, trying to think what help Arming everyone is going to do.

just look at the record number of gun out there and the high crime rate that accumulated yearly.

I believe in the opposite less gun less crime.

I like my gun but who know when a person is going to snap...?

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-26-2015 04:04 PM  35 months agoPost 15
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I like my gun but who know when a person is going to snap...?
Well since you like your gun so much, why are you so foolish and immature as to advocate that others should not have that same right?

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06-26-2015 04:27 PM  35 months agoPost 16
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That because I don't know how much sugar people put in their lemonade, I know what I am capable of i can only think for me.

Why should you trust me with a gun? Why should I trust you without a gun?

we have no clue about each others collectiveness , we can only hope as the
end we didn't get hurt or hurt anyone.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-26-2015 04:55 PM  35 months agoPost 17
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That because I don't know how much sugar people put in their lemonade, I know what I am capable of i can only think for me.
Then you have no rational argument what so ever with your own gun ownership while advocating others do not have that same right.

Extremely immature with a very high degree of the same hypocracy that you claim of others with the rotten stench of to much kool aid drinking.

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06-26-2015 05:33 PM  35 months agoPost 18
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Why should you trust me with a gun? Why should I trust you without a gun?
And therein lies the entire argument of our founding fathers.

If only one segment of the population, or the government, had guns, then everyone who does not is subject to whatever the gun-owning folk say. If a criminal wants to annex your house, it's theirs. If the government decided the Bill of Rights was null and void, you have no recourse.

It's about trust.

Guns exist.

Period.

They will always exist.

It's impossible to ""uninvent" the gun.

So someone will always have them.

The only fair world is one which you can, too.

You "DO" know that people in gun restricted countries die of guns, right? But go ahead and think that wouldn't happen here.

It's those dang criminals and ignoring the law. And folks think they'll make an exception for firearms.

God, it's like banging my head against the wall making these arguments. This stuff seems so obvious to me. We make compelling arguments based on facts, and existing law, and the counterargument is always "but I don't like guns."

Well, **** that.

Oh by the way, if you would hang onto your gun after they are made illegal you are the biggest hypocrite on the planet.

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06-26-2015 05:42 PM  35 months agoPost 19
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Oh by the way, if you would hang onto your gun after they are made illegal you are the biggest hypocrite on the planet.
I'll bet his next welfare check that he does not own his gun legally.

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06-26-2015 05:53 PM  35 months agoPost 20
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Anyone who turns theirs in thinking the criminals would is insane.

I'm not sure what I would do. I know this. There'd be instant civil war.

I know a few cops. Most of them would not want to go around doing the collection. They aren't willing to bet their life that the collection would go smoothly.

And they wouldn't get them all. Alcohol was unconstitutional and yet people were drunk all throughout prohibition. There would be TONS of guns out there.

The other thing the gungrabbers need to consider. If they lost the inevitable civil war, do you think they wouldn't hang as an enemy of the Constitution? Saying "I was just following orders" didn't work for the Nazis in Nuremburg and it won't work for a gun confiscation that was unsuccessful.

So if they do it, they better win or it's the gallows.

Since I swore to uphold the Constitution, you wouldn't see me participating in a gungrab. So you'll have to find enough people willing to put it on the line to grab them all. Except those people who hate guns are usually sheep. So they'll never do such a thing.

Guns are here to stay. Embrace them. I hate the idea of being shot or having to shoot someone, but sticking my fingers in my ears and pretending they can be uninvented is not a solution.

The bad guys will always be armed. Do you want the good guys armed?

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