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06-23-2015 02:52 AM  35 months agoPost 1
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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i seem to be getting the hang of these tic toc's , i need to come up with a routine i feel at this point

how do they look with this 450?
appreciate any advice please and thank you.
DAME things aint easy with a 450.

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06-23-2015 05:35 AM  35 months agoPost 2
Aaron29

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More cyclic, less collective. But looks like you're getting the hang of it.

Work them on the SIM too so you learn the little rudder/aileron corrections when doing elevator tictocs.

To me, the easiest tick tock is an aileron TT. Cyclic is faster and you have tailrotor downthrust if you do it to the right. And although boom strikes on modern helis are rare, it's a nonfactor with an ail tictoc Heh.

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06-23-2015 01:07 PM  35 months agoPost 3
SkateFreak

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My personal opinion,
tighten those right up.
It may be harder on a 450 but on the 600's I aim to get the pivot point on the tail rotor

I know it sounds strange and hard to explain why but it feels safer keeping the heli upright on its tail.

Sim sim sim sim sim!

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06-23-2015 01:56 PM  35 months agoPost 4
Jeff polisena

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Start with back flips and front flips to inverted .after getting the orientation do rainbows slow and start picking up speed as you get comfortable . Eventually you will get the rhythm . If you learn bad habits with sticks while you learn the trick it will be harder to clean up after you learn it .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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06-23-2015 02:05 PM  35 months agoPost 5
Wingman77

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06-23-2015 03:30 PM  35 months agoPost 6
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Jeff polisena
Start with back flips and front flips to inverted .after getting the orientation do rainbows slow and start picking up speed as you get comfortable . Eventually you will get the rhythm . If you learn bad habits with sticks while you learn the trick it will be harder to clean up after you learn it .
excellent advice Jeff thank youawesome vid wingman between you and Jeff i think this is a no brainier,wow
thanks brothers

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06-23-2015 04:07 PM  35 months agoPost 7
Richardmid1

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Tips:

1. Start your videos with the heli ready to go or already in the air.

2. Get a better camera man or just tell them to be steadier and use less zoom.

3. Fly lower, it's hard to see what your doing even zoomed in.

4. Relax, slow your maneuvers down, be smooth, you ain't Dunkan Bossion yet.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-23-2015 04:19 PM  35 months agoPost 8
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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you ain't Dunkan Bossion yet.
lol 10-4
thanks brother.

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06-23-2015 05:12 PM  35 months agoPost 9
nickwap

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Hey Dunkan started somewhere!

"Give me another one, this one's broke!"

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06-23-2015 05:53 PM  35 months agoPost 10
Funky Trex

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I have to agree about starting the video with the heli soooling up or already in the air. I skip a lot of videos that start with the pilot getting his heli ready. Not a big deal, just personal preference. They are your vids so do whatever you want with them. I don't mean that to sound negative so I hope you don't take it the wrong way. You do a ton of videos and could probably get more hits with a bit more time editing.

For tic-tocs, I found the best thing that helped me is an underpowered heli. Use something like an mcpx or turn your 450 way down, etc. This will force you to really work your collective and cyclic. If you over-do one or the other (or both at the same time) the heli will not power through it. This can really help show you where you are going wrong on the sticks. If you can constantly tic toc a stock mcpx until you want to stop (not when the heli runs out of power), you can probably tic-toc anything. Don't try to just power through them, working the sticks smoothly and at the right times will make them much tighter and the heli will feel like it has a lot more power. Even with a low power heli, you should be able to raise or lower your height during tic-tocs pretty easily if you are not feeding it too much collective/cyclic.

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06-23-2015 05:56 PM  35 months agoPost 11
rcnut

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WC...nose up Tic-Toc's are not all the difficult to do. It is a stand still rainbow do somewhat fast. To start, breaking down the maneuver, learn to back-flip your heli into a hover…basically “catching” your heli as it falls to inverted. Take your time with this, learn to flip back, and then forward to right side up without moving all over the sky.

Once you feel comfortable doing this, start the flipping, but this time don’t go all the way back or forward. Stop at a slight angle, get used to seeing your heli this way and pay attention to how much collective you need to stop your heli. Get comfortable with this.

Once that is done, keep increasing the angle at which you stop your heli until you are around the 10-15 degrees forward and back from vertical. As you get better performing the Tic-Toc, you will notice the faster the Tic-toc, the less collective you will need.

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06-23-2015 06:46 PM  35 months agoPost 12
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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wow amazing info guy's , i think this post will have everyone tic tocing
round here lol, no brainier from here stay tuned i'm going to use everyone's advise to figure it out,awesome.

thanks Brother's.

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06-24-2015 12:53 AM  35 months agoPost 13
EEngineer

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Here's some help from Nick Maxwell. Note the wind speed from the videos right to left as seen by the exhaust trail.

Watch at YouTube

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06-24-2015 01:26 AM  35 months agoPost 14
Cobra 46

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WC you have a great attitude !! Thanks for you videos !

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06-24-2015 02:26 PM  35 months agoPost 15
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Cobra 46
WC you have a great attitude !! Thanks for you videos !
My great attitude comes from having Brothers with great attitude like yours Brother Cobra.

thank you.

Insha Allah made in america

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06-24-2015 03:57 PM  35 months agoPost 16
Aaron29

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Nick Maxwell is the best.

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07-20-2015 02:25 PM  34 months agoPost 17
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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guess im coming along slowly

Watch at YouTube

a bit harder with my 450 but im getting the hang of it

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07-21-2015 04:09 AM  34 months agoPost 18
jschenck

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pause a bit on each step...

tic-pause-toc-pause-tic-pause-toc-pause....

as you get used to the timing reduce the pause. It'll get faster as you get the timing. Don't be afraid to try the nose down tic-toc. Go slow the first few times.

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