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06-23-2015 08:50 AM  35 months agoPost 21
MattJen

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you make some really good points Aaron29

I had the 14SG, it was a pain in the neck to programme compared to my 10C, you had screens within screens, and that awful rotary touch dial which sometimes worked then it didn't was so frustrating I threw mine in the end out of sheer frustration.I missed the joystick for my sausage fingers.

The 10C was easy to use and easy to programme, for setting up GV1 I went into Governor set my speeds, on the 14SG there was so many complicated screens just to do a simple job. I prefer to be flying not sitting all day with my engine on idle whilst I work out the sub menus.

The other thing that peed me off was the different voltages between all the radios, there was no conformity..

So I went back to my faithful 10C

Matt

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06-23-2015 12:56 PM  35 months agoPost 22
jharkin

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Interesting perspective. I moved from a 10C to a 14SG (having previously been through a 9C, 6X Super and a number of non computerized)... Honestly I think the 14 is the best radio I have yet owned.

I agree on the screen and scroll wheel. The input system of the 10C was the best they ever came up with and I wish they kept it... But in every other way the 14 was a huge step forward in my mind.

The function system that lets you assign anything to any channel is a breakthrough.. Huge time saver, and especially on large complex fixed wings this alone eliminated a lot of complex mixes. They should have done this years ago.... multiplex did it in the early 2000s I dont know why it took everyone else so long.

I also could not go back to living without vibrating alerts now. I fly at a glow/gas field and Futaba alarms where never loud enough to hear over the flight line noise.

Having all 3 way switches for triple rates and telemetry are bonuses.

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06-23-2015 02:08 PM  35 months agoPost 23
gwright

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Jeremy, the "function system" as you called it (I like that term) has been around for two previous generation Futaba radios, the 14mz and 18mz. When I got my 14mz around 2003~2004 I thought "what the heck",.. and later realized what great value it had to be able to map any output to any input, multiple outputs to a single input, etc. So, I would agree, breakthrough, but it was a breakthrough over ten years ago, not with the 14SG <G>.The MZ's even have virtual channels to give yet another way of accomplishing things.

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06-23-2015 02:37 PM  35 months agoPost 24
jharkin

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Oh yeah, forgot that the programming came down from the 14MZ.

When it came out, the 14MZ was waaaaaay over my budget. Even the 9c was a bit of a stretch when I first got it.

Honestly, with kids and home obligations I cant justify that kind of spend (18mz) now either.

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06-23-2015 03:38 PM  35 months agoPost 25
rexxigpilot

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Aaron29, you're funny. You blast Futaba for not having Model Match yet complain about them for having tabs on their servo connectors which are there to prevent reversing the connector.

In over 40 years of flying RC aircraft, I've never had a need for Model Match. I did have a fellow club member and friend named Dave who found MM a benefit for him. However, he had brain damage from a medical issue, brain cancer and was on heavy pain meds. He also had two identical models (Raptor 50s) with the only difference being the canopy color. Sadly, Dave passed away last year.

In reality Dave didn't need MM either. His models were the same. Either model would fly just fine if using the other's TX setup. Some minor trimming may have been needed, but that's it.

I've flown many different radio brands over the years. I've used Kraft, Heathkit, Proline, Airtronics, JR, Spektrum and Futaba. They all worked. The only one with Model Match is my DX8, not that I even know it's there because I know to change models in my TX before turning on the RX power of a different model than the previous one flown.

I can't agree with those who say Futaba is behind the times on their radios or other equipment. My 9C Super, 12Z and 18MZ (still have the 12 and use the 18) all were current with features that actually mattered. All Futaba features work properly too. Can't say that about the JR/Spektrum original implementation of 2.4GHz, DSM, or DSM2 for that matter. It wasn't until DSMX came out that Spektrum had a solid, trustworthy radio link.

I want someone to tell me what feature (no, Model Match is a crutch, not a feature) is missing in the 14SG and newer Futaba radios. If you have trouble with the menus, that's just a matter of getting used to the format. I can get around both my DX8 and 18MZ menus without any difficulty. My DX8 was like my JR12X menu, so that was intuitive. My 12Z was similar to my 9C Futaba, while my 18MZ is just more feature packed than the 12Z and the color touch screen makes menu navigation much faster.

Telemetry is available with the Futaba 14SG, 18MZ and soon to be 18SZ. It's even available on the Futaba FHSS 10J radio. Is there anything missing that makes Futaba anything but contemporary?

I'll admit, I don't care for the touch jog wheel for navigating menus on the 8FG, 14SG, 8J and 10J Futaba radios. Even Apple discarded this method of human interface. Hopefully the 18SZ will use something better. Pictures of it show touch screen only.

I believe those grousing about Futaba being antiquated are either Spektrum and/or JR shills or one of those who has fallen for the shill's dirty form of marketing strategy.

BTW, I also use the CGY750 in one of my helis. It too works great. Sure there were some who had trouble with setting up the gyro with the original menus and abundance of parameters, but with 1.4 firmware anyone can set it up and it will fly great. It also has the best governor of all IMO, especially on a nitro model.

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06-23-2015 04:24 PM  35 months agoPost 26
FNFAL

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Was it Futaba that was first with the hobby grade multiplexing format...S-BUS?

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06-23-2015 05:22 PM  35 months agoPost 27
Aaron29

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Believe it or not, those who don't share your opinions aren't paid actors. That's ridiculous and I can't believe you made that accusation. Outrageous.

I'm no brand shill. I think brand loyalty is the single stupidest thing we can do as consumers if we have any self interest whatsoever. If Futaba or JR or anyone new comes out with something better tomorrow, and I'm in the market, I'll buy it.

Buying a name is just dumb. And sticking with a name through thick and thin is dumber.

And no, I didn't fall for marketing. I (begrudgingly) bought the DX7 to BNF and found that I like it.

You asked for missing features. So here:

A decent interface. I can't tell you how many times that stupid little ipod wheel and menu/submenu system has ticked me off. Oh and the little wheel can be inadvertently rubbed with your palm during piro maneuvers, necessitating locking of the screen. I discovered by this hearing beeping during piroflips.

A durable design. If you breathe on that antenna, it breaks. I've had the displeasure of buying two. One broke as I was placing the transmitter into a case! FFS, the FOAM broke it! Just typing that is ridiculous. Futaba and JR could learn a bit from how Spectrum fixed theirs.

Plus, I'm really going to have to say it...Model Match. Yes, it's a feature, even if you don't find it necessary or insult those who want it. 2.4ghz was implemented and was overwhelmingly embraced by our community as the solution to a human error problem. Folks wanting humans to just "be on the alert" could use that same argument to say 2.4ghz is pointless. Model match is a good FEATURE <--yes.

I do like my Futabas. But I want for these features. Enough that going into the future, I'll phase Futaba out in favor of other offerings unless they change. That's saying a lot considering I have like seven Futaba FAAST receivers. It's just that all this time I thought they'd come around and offer these features and they haven't. I waited on them being slow to 2.4 and even slower to produce a native 2.4 system without a tacked-on module. I forgave it and stood by their side because like a lot of you I liked the flexible programming. But sometimes it seems that slow is never. And after a while I can't help but take notice what I'm missing by being loyal. So I'm moving on.

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06-23-2015 06:42 PM  35 months agoPost 28
Aaron29

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FWIW back to the thread topic. I don't think there's anything inherently "wrong" enough with the 14SG or CGY750 that necessarily warrant selling it off and buying another brand or even necessarily a newer model. Resale value in this hobby is terrible. Just fly what you have until it's wore out or doesn't suit your needs, then see what the market is offering, with perhaps some bias towards your brand (because, receivers).

If we all sold and bought based on every new product that came out we'd be broke. It's also not my style to buy newly released stuff. The prices are at their highest during release and you're buying a somewhat unknown. What if it's a flop?

In other words. Why buy a radio if not in the market for a radio? We don't do this with cars? Seems some just get bored with what they have.

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06-23-2015 07:06 PM  35 months agoPost 29
don s

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But but but don't radios stop working when the next version comes out?

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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06-23-2015 09:39 PM  35 months agoPost 30
Aaron29

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TRUTH!
Yup. And kits that flew awesome become junk upon new kit releases, too. LOL.

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06-23-2015 09:40 PM  35 months agoPost 31
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I'm keeping my 14SG. As I fly Brain/iKon and I'm happy with the BT connection and Android app, I don't really need anything else. What is most important to me is the low latency and rock solid radio link. That's the reason I switched from Spektrum to Futaba.

The only flaw in the 14SG that affects me is the lousy alarm volume. I can barely hear it when I'm flying my SAB 630. I would love to know what went through the heads of their engineers when they looked over the alarm when designing the 14SG.

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06-23-2015 09:43 PM  35 months agoPost 32
Aaron29

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Thanks alex.

I think that pointing out faults is A GOOD THING FOR FUTABA. If they will but lend an ear to it all, it'll help the future of the brand.

Seems to me complaints have got to be better for Futaba than sitting in quiet desperation. There were people who outright denied or came to the defense of the crappy early DSM brownouts and link issues. They did Spektrum/JR no favors. It's a good darn thing that the "loyalists" couldn't silence the people bitching about those receivers, because we got DSM-X for it.

A similar thing regarding complaints vs. silence is happening here, IMO. This is an opportunity to improve the brand. Silence is consent.

Is there a single feature that I asked for (better interface, robust antenna, model match) that would be a TURN-OFF for any Futaba loyalist? I doubt it. So at worst, it's stuff you don't care about. At best, it's stuff that draws more folks to Futaba. Your choice.

As I stated, I'm invested in Futaba to the tune of seven approximately $100 receivers. I'll happily hang on if they'd just offer what I'd like. But I've waited SO long, I'm willing to walk away from that investment to get the missing features. Call that BS. I call it my choice.

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06-23-2015 09:43 PM  35 months agoPost 33
RM3

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...lousy alarm volume... I would love to know what went through the heads of their engineers when they looked over the alarm when designing the 14SG.
my guess is they thought it was pretty loud when they tested it in their office...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-24-2015 05:05 PM  35 months agoPost 34
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Same as Don S I will take the CGY750 you thinks is junk I will even pay postage!

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06-24-2015 05:19 PM  35 months agoPost 35
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[/quote]Aaron29[quote]
Advance to 18:04 of this video
i have my 8fg setup to where i have to select a model when i turn on my tx

Watch at YouTube

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06-24-2015 05:25 PM  35 months agoPost 36
Aaron29

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Thanks for that WC. Might save me a model in the future.

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06-24-2015 07:21 PM  35 months agoPost 37
mcfast

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I got a set-up like that on my T8FG SUPER, works great.

P.S. sorry for the spelling or the grammar I am dyslexic!

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06-24-2015 07:23 PM  35 months agoPost 38
rexxigpilot

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I don't buy into any of your arguments/complaints Aaron29. Don't need the model match crutch. Futaba antenna is no different than on your DX7 and my DX8. None of my Futaba TXs use the touch wheel, and if they did, I simply would lock my menus if it was a concern. Futaba came out with the TM-7 for the 9C when the DX7 came out, so Futaba was not behind on 2.4GHz. Futaba next came out with the TM-14 for the 12Z and 14MZ. If anything Futaba did the right thing and got it straight from the start with their 2.4GHZ system instead of coming out with a faulty system as Spektrum did with DSM. Having a module based system was also a smart idea. It maintained backward compatibility with existing 72MHz RXs instead of forcing one to go buy all new RXs immediately. Yes, the latency was high on the module based 9C Super with the TM-7, but then Futaba came out with the inexpensive 7C and blew away all challengers to low latency crown.

No one said to blindly be a brand loyalist. As My previous post plainly stated, I have used most every brand available over the years. I find Futaba to my liking because I know it will work correctly and not place my models, spectators or fellow flyers in jeopardy. Can't say that about some other brands.

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06-24-2015 08:59 PM  35 months agoPost 39
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You say the antenna is the same. Only on the older DX7 - the newer DX7 antennae are robust. Have you not seen these? They are tough, somewhat integrated with the transmitter body, and don't have that VERY breakable swivel.

But seriously, just by the fact that you say they are the same, I KNOW you aren't paying attention to current trends!

Futaba was able to incorporate good antenna design into their FHSS systems. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that their hidden antenna design is superior to anything else on the market. Why not do this antenna style or something like the new DX7's with future FAAST TXs? How is this remotely asking for too much?

As for the ipod wheel, if Futaba got rid of it on all future offerings, good for them. But it proves my point. No brand is perfect and can benefit from change.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Model Match as a "feature." Many like it. To me, that makes it a "feature" whether you consider it one or not. But we're going to have to agree to disagree and let the audience among us decide for themselves.

I'm glad I saw that little trick from WC. It's not "foolproof," but it will certainly help.

Just my 2 cents. Doesn't matter if you "buy" into any of my arguments. I'm a consumer, I call the shots where my money goes, and I'm moving on without these things. I just took the time to share why before I walk. Not sure who monitors these threads or what gets reported back to companies. But I'm done, here. I've said what I needed to . Reps, do with this info what you will.

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06-25-2015 12:04 PM  35 months agoPost 40
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Just a couple of quick comments. I have the 14sg , and the DX9 Black. The 14 sg is a dinosaur compared to the programing on the DX9. Futaba tends to let you know just how smart they are by making their programing as complicated as they can make it. The 750 as compared to the Brain/Ikon is ridiculous. I can have the brain completely programed in about 5 minutes, as compared to the endless screens on the 750, and every thing on the brain is in one box. I have to go to work but let me say this....the 750 is a great gyro just getting a little long in the tooth and needs a refresh.
Does anyone know why my alarm and vibrator is about half as loud as it was when it was new? Is there a way to increase the loudness?

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