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HelicopterMain Discussion › lots of 14SG and cgy750 for sale, why?
06-22-2015 07:05 PM  35 months agoPost 1
RM3

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so been scanning the classifieds... and been seeing alot of futaba 14SGs for sale lately as well as CGY750s... the 14SG a really good tx with telemetry, but alot are being unloaded. Is there an issue with them or could it be people are upgrading or switching over to another brand?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-22-2015 07:08 PM  35 months agoPost 2
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I imagine most are getting sold because of the upcoming release of the 18SZ.
Another reason would be the Vcontrol and its integration with the Vbar. Alot are jumping on that band wagon.

There is nothing wrong with it. I love using it as much as my 18mz.

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06-22-2015 07:22 PM  35 months agoPost 3
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Could be people jumping on the NEO bandwagon also.

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06-22-2015 07:33 PM  35 months agoPost 4
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Futaba kind of dropped the ball with the CGY 750.

When they released it they were proud of the fact that it had dynamic self compensating algorithm's.

They should have told the customers that it dynamically adjusted itself to induce frustration in the end user.

The design intent was outstanding in terms of using a state of the art ring sensor, but the integration and user interface / parameters were mediocre.

Even the PID parameters provided in the original firmware were essentially worthless, as they operated like no known standard PID loop.

Have not tried the 1.4 firmware yet, but I would have a hard time convincing myself to buy another one.

Same goes for their 2.4 TX's....too little too late.

Textbook example of how to take a company from a market leading position to a has been in less than 10 years.

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06-22-2015 07:41 PM  35 months agoPost 5
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I really don't understand how you can say Futaba's CGY750 is a flop.

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06-22-2015 07:54 PM  35 months agoPost 6
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Same goes for their 2.4 TX's....too little too late.
I'm curious what you mean by that? IIRC Futaba was just the second radio MFG to bring 2.4 to the hobby market after Spektrum did (Hitec, Airtronics and other all came later). And their protocol pretty much worked falwlessly from day 1, unlike Spectrum who changed implementations 2 or 3 times before finally coming around to basically the same frequency hopping arrangement futaba had from the beginning (As you would expect since Futaba was just using a a protocol that had been time tested in their industrial controls).

Granted, these days Futaba may be a bit behind all the flashy bells and whistles... I could wager a guess its just not a priority for them as hobby RC is not their only line of business. Likewise a lot of Futaba fliers are either folks who have been in the hobby a long time or gravitate to it more for a dependable system that gets the job done, than to chase the feature of the week/upgrade-itis.

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06-22-2015 07:58 PM  35 months agoPost 7
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I really don't understand how you can say Futaba is a flop
They still have their industrial business.

Although if they run it anything like they have run the hobby business, then they will no doubt disappear in short order.

In all fairness Futaba was fighting an uphill battle against the hoards of shills spilling forth from the Freak, spreading their message of salvation in the arms of Horizon Hobby.

How are them overpriced Horizon Hobby toys working out for you boys ?

Bind and Shill.

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06-22-2015 08:01 PM  35 months agoPost 8
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Granted, these days Futaba may be a bit behind
You could say that.
And their protocol pretty much worked falwlessly from day 1, unlike Spectrum who changed implementations 2 or 3 times before finally coming around to basically the same frequency hopping arrangement futaba had from the beginning (As you would expect since Futaba was just using a a protocol that had been time tested in their industrial controls).
I have always been impressed with Futaba's engineering ability. They need to combine that with good decision making.

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06-22-2015 08:02 PM  35 months agoPost 9
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In truth, I was hardcore Futaba but their failure to introduce model match has me moving on. Just incredible that with all the functionality of their radios, they haven't done this yet. That and the flimsy antennae. FIX IT!

That said, the collusion of Horizon Hobby and bind and fly manufacturers is sort of a double fronted attack on Futaba's former dominance. Futaba can't play with BNF, so the proprietary stuff ends up going the way of Spektrum.

That said, Futaba is hardly innocent of trying to use proprietary measures to maintain dominance. Their little J-tab I have to cut off all the time testifies to that.

Has Futaba fallen, not all the way. Still good stuff, when they get it to market. Their biggest issue is they are awash in a sea of new offerings and ideas from other brands and they are slow.

I've said it before - innovate or die. It's the cold truth. We witness it over and over again. Even the giants fall when they fail to do this.

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06-22-2015 08:13 PM  35 months agoPost 10
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In truth, I was hardcore Futaba but their failure to introduce model match has me moving on.
Ive had this argument with people out on the field as well.. Ive done RC in various forms, on and off, since the early 90s (my fist set was an ATTACK4 AM). I never once took off with the wrong model, so never really felt the need for it. I still scratch my head how that can be a feature to walk away over.

Maybe remembing flying when I had to open the back cover and adjust little micro potentiometers and dip switches to change dual rate and servo reverse settings, and make all the adjustments in the servo linkages to make each setup match the TX.... has me feeling a little spoiled by the capabilites of a "mere" 14SG.

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06-22-2015 08:15 PM  35 months agoPost 11
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Ive had this argument with people out on the field as well.. Ive done RC in various forms, on and off, sane the late 80s. I never once took off with the wrong model, so never really felt the need for it. I still scratch my head how that can be a feature to walk over.
When a moment's inattention causes the loss of a model, you'll see. Not everyone is as perfect as you.

You probably never shot anyone down with 72 Mhz either. I didn't. But I still embrace 2.4 GHZ and would not even CONSIDER 72 anymore.

I only lost ONE model to model match. But that was enough for me.

Some things are so easy to implement. And Futaba has a gazillion little functions that 95% of people will never use, but somehow fails to provide the one function that everyone could benefit from. Who knows how they think!?

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06-22-2015 08:20 PM  35 months agoPost 12
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I will dispose of anybodys neglected (and undamaged) CGY750 for free, and I will even cover postage.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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06-22-2015 08:22 PM  35 months agoPost 13
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When a moment's inattention causes the loss of a model, you'll see. Not everyone is as perfect as you.
Oh I dont claim to be perferct. Ive lost models due to mistakes. I once bought a new NICD rx pack the morning of a funfly and tried to fast charge it without doing the requisite overnight forming charge. Lost a brand new scale airplane build that had taken me an entire winter.

Ive had other goofs. I have switched on the wrong model before but usually found it in the preflight check. At least once I took off without extending the antenna. Once I powered off my TX before unplugging the battery on an electric heli.

All these mistakes I blame on my own slopiness. Checks like MM are a nice to have but no substitue for good pre and post flight procedures.

In any case, these days I get the same effect in Futaba by setting it to prompt me to choose the model at power up. I think I read they cant do model match exactly because Spektrum has a patent on the idea.

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06-22-2015 08:22 PM  35 months agoPost 14
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Yeah, Model match is an absolute requirement.

Patents are flimsy in a lot of cases.

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06-22-2015 08:24 PM  35 months agoPost 15
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In any case, these days I get the same effect in Futaba by setting it to prompt me to choose the model at power up. I think I read they cant do model match exactly because Spektrum has a patent on the idea.
Hmm. I have an 8FG (with the 14 upgrade software). Will it do this?

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06-22-2015 08:32 PM  35 months agoPost 16
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It's a bells and whistles thing with MM.

Some want an old manual transmission car that can start and lurch forward if you key the starter with the thing in gear, with power windows that you have to hold the switch and can crush fingers.

Others say, I'd like the car that won't start without my foot on the brake or clutch, with one touch operation windows that will roll down in the event of an obstruction.

Two different mindsets. I used to be the former. And I'd decry anyone who wanted automation as being lazy or inattentive.

But I've grown older. Now, I embrace anything that removes risk. Simply saying "oh you need to be on the ball all the time" is insufficient. Humans make mistakes. Period. I want the tech there to help me out now and then.

So yeah, Futaba, I need Model Match, not another condition switch on my radio. My radio can have 5 conditions, Normal, ID1, ID2, ID3, and Throttle Hold. But I can't get a MM? LOL

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06-22-2015 09:13 PM  35 months agoPost 17
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im not so sure MM is a big deal... that just means your not paying attention to what your doing... if you want all that automation to the point you just point your finger in the sky and the model goes that way well thats fine.... but me, im the old manual transmission guy... it means i have more control over the "car"... you cant push start an automatic if your battery is dead or the starter is broken and there is no one to help you... and the windows... what if someone is reaching in to car jack you? I want the option to break the guys arm with my power window...

but I digress...

I have noticed that Futaba has been behind the power curve lately. namely with telemetry and "all in one" systems that have the FBL and gov system in the RX, thier stuff aint cheap and they seemed to have lost a big deal with the whole bind and fly thing.

The S bus stuff does not turn me on for a heli application in terms of servos (the one wire hook up to the FBL is the exception)...

maybe they just need to get out there more often and listen to the customers more... Ive been very happy with the CGY750 and my 8FG super, would like to have telemetry but other brands do it cheaper it seems. Or could it be that they are just too complicated?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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06-22-2015 09:20 PM  35 months agoPost 18
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if you want all that automation to the point you just point your finger in the sky and the model goes that way well thats fine....
Hyperbole.
what if someone is reaching in to car jack you?
.38SPL
Or could it be that they are just too complicated?
I love my 8FG, but when I bought a DX7 in order to be able to fly a 130X BNF, I then realized I could use it with my VBAR. And then the programming was easier, plus model match.

The kicker was when I considered all the "features" my Futaba had that weren't there on the DX7S, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE. It was all downhill from there.

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06-22-2015 09:31 PM  35 months agoPost 19
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The kicker was when I considered all the "features" my Futaba had that weren't there on the DX7S, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE.
Yep, My X9303 is simple and intuitive to program. The only thing I wish it had was a stick timer verses the switched timer.

I see no need to upgrade it.

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06-22-2015 09:32 PM  35 months agoPost 20
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My DX7S timer's activated by ID1. Never lets me down.

I think Futaba caters to competition use...multiple conditions that allow different trims, gains, and rates for different phases of flight or scheduled maneuvers. This stuff might be important to a competition participant, but for mere mortals, it's fluff and confusion.

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