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12-21-2003 05:36 PM  13 years agoPost 1
sceaduman

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Well this is just a little upset that i had. I went to the field in houston this past saturday (day when air plane guys go) to try and get some flights in. I recently crashed and so i guess that i could call this a vergin flight again. I had some trouble setting up the tail because i had never done it before. It is one of those things that once it is set you dont have to really worry about it. I live gyros!! Anyways there were a few guys out there that said they knew how to fly helis so i asked them if they could help me. Before i knew it they were removing connecting arms and doing all kinds of re-adjustments when i was going back to my car to get the rest of my tools and such. They had no idea what the heck they were doing and all of that time consuming set-ups that i did the night before were ruined!! I had to go back through and redo the tracking and all of the servo adjustments all over again.
After i set everything up again i still needed help with my gyro setup. There was another guy that said that he could help me so i decided to try my luck again. I was telling him how the tail is suppose to react with the control stick and he set up backward. I was like what are you doing, and he said oh this is how it is suppose to be. I ended up getting no fly time in and went back to my house. I later figured out in no time that my gyro was reversed, which caused my tail to spin around clockwise violently right as my bird was getting light on its skids. I guess the moral of the story is to sometimes ask people what the problem might be and do it your self!!! It is the only way to learn!!!
-Lloyd

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12-21-2003 06:01 PM  13 years agoPost 2
sweetP

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Lloyd
Find somone who is flying a heli, watch how their heli flys. If their heli flys well chances are thats the guy to ask for help.

What was my tag line? AMA 139721

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12-21-2003 06:07 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Jim C

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so what does this have to do with planes? other than the field???

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12-21-2003 07:43 PM  13 years agoPost 4
AGRAV8

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Give me a call

I'm up north ( 1960 @ 45) and will help you out. my pager # is 713-919-8184.

James

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12-22-2003 12:18 AM  13 years agoPost 5
sceaduman

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Well this had to do with airplane guys that were at the field. I was a little hot headed when i wrote that so....now i am better . Anyways sorry for that. I got it all worked out
Lloyd

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12-22-2003 06:22 AM  13 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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An observation, a question, a statement, and the moral of the story.

Observation: You show up with a helicopter at a flying site "on the day when the airplane guys go", then ask the airplane guys to help set up your machine for you. (Would you go to your dentist for an appendectomy? --after all he IS a doctor, too).

Question: If you are only known at that field for flying helis, do any of the airplane flyers come over and ask you to help them set up their airplanes? (Maybe they know something you don't.)

Statement: Sometimes, you get what you ask for. Only what you ask for isn't what you really need. (A paraphrase of "You don't always get what you want" -- Rolling Stones).

Moral of the Story: Before you let someone start tweaking your machine -- it is up to you to determine if they are competent. If you fail to do so and they don't know helis, don't complain about the outcome. (YOU are responsible in the end for your own equipment).

Find someone competent with helicopters -- and verify for yourself that they are capable before asking for help with yours.

It's especially scary that this happened to you in Houston, so soon after the Ron Kyle accident at Tom Bass Park, in Houston.

Dave

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12-22-2003 11:12 AM  13 years agoPost 7
wolfdad

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Southern Maryland

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sceaduman, Dave's points are well-taken and only two people EVER touch my helicopter, me and my flying partner, Shaw...and I know how his helicopters fly....extremely well (most of the time...sorry Greg).

All kidding aside, since there is no way to prove or dis-prove someone's ability with regard to rigging one of these beasts, the responsibility for ascertaining a "helping hand's" knowledge level falls, as does the responsibility for flight safety, right on the guy with the transmitter in his hands.

Sounds like you tried anyway, having done a couple of dozo turns to find out the gyro sensing was reversed. I would make a couple of recommendations to you, first, you have a wealth of information available right at your finger tips in this forum. This is absolutely one of the best tools you could ever use in building, setting up and flying your helicopter. If you post a concise, comprehensive question here, you can bet you will get an answer, so I would encourage you to do so. Since none of us has all the answers, you are going to have to, at some point, seek help from another walking, talking human being. Ascertaing that individual's knowledge level with helicopters is going to fall back on your knowledge level and asking the right questions and then knowing whether or not you got the right or close to right answers. If you know rigging procedures, then ask him or her about how he/she rigs their aircraft. Listen carefully to the answers they give, then you should have a pretty decent idea of their knowledge level. Just because someone can move the transmitter sticks on a 10x the right direction to keep a plank in the air does not qualify them to even breathe in the same atmosphere with a helicopter. Remember, they have a glide path....our's is like a free-falling safe....totally different mind-set. Also, if you can get them to show you what you need to know on THEIR aircraft (helicopter, that is...aircraft is pretty broad spectrum), you can also pretty much figure that they know what they are doing, especially if you see them fly that same machine and it flys well. The last thing in this verbosity is a resource called Ray's RC Helicopter book written by Ray Hostettler. This is about the most comprehensive coverage of just about everything regarding helicopter set-up you can buy. Buy it...use it.

Ok, off the soapbox! My email address is available in my profile and I will be happy to attempt to answer any/all questions you have, however my answers, and I qualify this offering here, are from a person who is an "intermediate beginner." However, I will be happy to share that knowledge level with you.

wolfdad sends......

"There are those who have...and, those who will" IRCHA #2117, AMA #70068, Turbine Waiver #105

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12-22-2003 11:34 AM  13 years agoPost 8
wmueller10

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Ft Benning Area

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Before i knew it they were removing connecting arms and doing all kinds of re-adjustments
Great story. Kind of reminds me of the guy that showed up at our flying field with a brand new thermal heat gun. He was zapping everything out their, giving us surface temperature readings on the road, our cars and then he zapped this guys helicopter engine, determined that the engine was running too cold and leaned it out 3-4 clicks over for the heli owner. His quote was "that should do it" and it did, the owner took off, engine flamed out and cost the man $200.

No one adjusts' anything on my toys, happy holidays!

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12-22-2003 02:00 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Steve Campbell

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<<...that should do it...>>

Man, I hear you. I tried to help an obvious newbie with one of those things. His mixture was FUBAR and the engine was running like crap. But, by God, he was getting a certain temperature on his RayTek, and good old so-n-so on RR said that was the temp to fly at, so he was happy and refused my offer of trying to get his engine halfway right.

Haven't seen that guy since, now that I think about it.

I thought about buying one of those things, and putting it on the shelf next to my can of muffler bearing grease...

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12-23-2003 04:26 PM  13 years agoPost 10
jbrundt

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St. Charles, MO

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I don't even let other 'plankers' touch my fixed wings let alone my heli. I've found out that they know less than I do no matter how competent they appear to be.

Jeff

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12-23-2003 04:50 PM  13 years agoPost 11
sceaduman

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Houston, Texas - USA

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Thanks guys for the insight. I like to spent alot of time to set one of these things up which is how it is suppose to be done so that nothing happens in the air. I crashed about a month ago up at school because my whip antena connector became disconnected. I now spend much more time checking over everything and making sure it is correct. I guess you live and you learn. There are many people that were very kind and have sent me PM's of numbers that i can reach them by to help with further problems. I appreciate it - Lloyd

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