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12-22-2003 02:34 AM  13 years agoPost 21
d-n-jensen

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Hey if money is no problem why not get the Caliber 90. That will lighten your wallet.

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12-22-2003 04:38 AM  13 years agoPost 22
steve9534

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Russ

I didn't really mean to imply that the Fury doesn't hover well, but there are some others that are at least as good. The Fury was really designed for and by guys who want the heli to jump when they move the sticks. Not everyone prefers that style of response, although there are a lot of folks that want to fly the same kind of heli as those who do, and MA has done a great job of marketing the thing to JK and TB wannabes. The Fury would make a good 60 size heli for almost anyone at whichever end of the spectrum, but the stock Raptor is going to be a disappointment for those who want to fly like Mike or the Szabos unless some work is put into it. For 95% of us the Raptor has some advantages in softer response, tank position, ease of repair, and lower parts costs that make it worth considering, especially now that the 90 version is out with the upgrades that the 60 needed to get it up to speed. Alan will probably chime in here to say how he can do anything with the stocker that he does with his upgraded version. That may well be true, but any time I've ever seen him fly, it's not the stocker that he's flying. Thanks. steve.

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12-22-2003 07:42 AM  13 years agoPost 23
pistole

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"BEST"

I would echo Al's query here.

Ie , define "best".


1. Best at adorning your living room - ________________.

2. Best at crashing - _________________.

3. Best at lightening you wallet - _______________.

4. Best for turning on Christina Aguilera - ______________.


You get the IDEA !

Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.

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12-22-2003 08:13 AM  13 years agoPost 24
voksboy

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I started with a voyager 30, a few months down the line it crashed due to batt failure. I decided not to fix it anymore and just buy another machine. I was going for a 60, thinking of a freya. I was told it flies great etc. I received a call form my flying buddy to purchase this heli before it was too late ( thinking it was a fraya) even when I paid for it I thought it was a fraya. After I realized it was a fury I got more excited than ever Anyway I've had my fury for 1 year now, and it's crashed twice. once the first day it flew ( the batt failure which cause my voyager to crash (yes same batt duh)). the second was just recently, due to stupidity. All I can say is I'm very happy with the fury! I've learned how to hover with it and fly 3d in a year with minimun damage to my wallet.

Other pilots that fly other brands like raptor have had heli's exploding in the air down to bad auto's. I'm no grater pilot then they are but I know I can count on my fury to hold it together. I'm not saying raptor is a crappy machine but I can say the fury is one hell of a machine.

my 2 cents.

You pay for what you get.

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12-22-2003 12:01 PM  13 years agoPost 25
KennyS

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Well I guess the money is no issue got some attention.
Now let me restate that. I am not an endless money pit & my money tree is not dead but it has definetly witherd away.
Now, I do not mind spending more for a better product as long as I know the product is worth it. I am not a Curtis Youngblood & really don't want to be. I am how ever happy with my ability and strive to do better everytime I go out.
Now when I say the best, this is my definition.
1st-Reliable
2nd-Upgradeable
3rd-Backed by manufacturer
4th-Repair Cost of a crash is affordable
5th-Can perform gracefully and has the ability to have the sticks thrown in every which way possible.
6th-Lets see now. Is there such a thing as free Just thought I would throw that in.
I usually think about a purchase for awhile before just rushing out and buying it just becuase it looked good. I do not want a shelf hanger over the fire place. But I do want all of the best attributes one has to offer and spend as little money as I can. So if the best = 500 for the kit, that that is what I will spend, but also if it means that must have 1200 for the kit then I will wait alittle longer and save the money for the purchase.
Maybe this will answer some of your questions.
I guess in a nut shell, I just want the best of all worlds for my next one.

kennys

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12-22-2003 12:20 PM  13 years agoPost 26
Dazzler

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Kenny

You are describing a Freya, it fits all those criterias. Get one you wont be sorry!!!

Daz...

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12-22-2003 12:58 PM  13 years agoPost 27
invrtd

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Go with the Freya X-spec. Like dazzler said. You won't be sorry. A crash on a Freya is much cheaper than a Fury. Don't have to replace a $30+ dollar torque tube, and belts don't fail.

Clark

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12-24-2003 01:01 AM  13 years agoPost 28
steve9534

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Baja170;
To reply to your post point by point:
1) There have been a number of reported t/r and clutch failures. I personally have skipped the teeth off the crown gear, broke the cross pin that holds the head block on the main shaft, and had the clutch fail on my Fury. I've broken 2 sets of t/r gears and a tube drive on previous MA helis.
2) I have the Summer 2003 MA catalog which lists a number of upgrades. Whether they are needed or not is another question.
3) Absolutely. Tim Schoonard is a great guy, as was his father. I had very good experiences talking with Ted also when he was with the company.
4) The Extreme tail boom lists for $42.95 and the torque tube for $44.95. Expect to get a 10-15% discount from most of the online stores. The corresponding R90 prices are $16.89 and $25.99 respectively from Heliproz and the R60 parts are cheaper still. I'm sorry, I don't have the list prices for Raptor parts, but they are definitely cheaper.
5) The Freya has a heavy feel to it. How that might be an advantage is a huge question mark in my mind? Lighter is better, and the Fury is 4 oz. lighter than my R70, and was about 12 oz. lighter than a stock Freya with similar equipment. Whether they have great power or not will depend mainly on the motor selected. Both the Fury and Raptor feel similar, power-wise with the same motor. The Fury autos better, in large part because of it's smoother gear train, and also because of it's lighter weight.

Invrtd;
I've had two 60 size helis whose belts failed. The newer belts are stronger and my Vigor's tail rotor shaft broke instead. I attributed the failure to my running the belt tight enough to try and keep it from slipping. My Freya's belt drive never failed, but did slip occasionally in fast backwards flight.
To be fair, I've also torn out the t/r gears on the Raptor running a YS 80. I've not had a similar failure since checking the mesh more carefully and shimming them if needed. I asked Alan Szabo about this and he said he'd never had a failure. I believe the newer kits come with some shims that can be used for this purpose. steve

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12-24-2003 02:31 AM  13 years agoPost 29
rcadd1ct

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If you are breaking belts in your raptor 50 or EVO 50 then stay away from belts. if you have no issues with them, get a freya or x-spec if funds are truely not an issue.

I have never flown a Fury nor a big Rap but the support that Jeff Green and the stability that the freya platform provide make it a good choice.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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12-24-2003 03:15 AM  13 years agoPost 30
Maxx

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What's really funny about this ongoing question is (to me at least) I have an Futura SE of 1995 design and haven't found anything that flys any better...two piece frame, push-pull to the swashplate, metal parts where they need to be simple maintaince and fair pricing on spares...
Any of the mentioned helis with thrash about in 3F fashion about the same...about the only "upgrade" needed is the nut behind the sticks! Get whatever floats 'yer boat and you think looks good...

JMPO and Happy Holidaze...

Chris

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12-24-2003 07:34 AM  13 years agoPost 31
Freya

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If the Fury needs no upgrades, Then why is that the machine with the most upgrades available?


Just a simple question

Chris

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12-24-2003 12:12 PM  13 years agoPost 32
KennyS

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Wow
I never anticipated this kind of responce from this thread, but it has truly been an eye opener.
One thing is for sure, there is all types of opinions out there. I really think this was a good thread and have enjoyed the feedback very much.

I want to Thank All of you that have replied to the thread!

I will be making purchase after xmas is over and will post what I have purchased then. Kinda waiting for my money tree to spring some new leafs.

Thanks
KennyS

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12-25-2003 10:16 PM  13 years agoPost 33
Rotor

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Raptor....

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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12-25-2003 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 34
d-n-jensen

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As far as I know there are not a lot of aftermarket upgrades for the Fury line when comparied to whats available for other far east manufactures.

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12-26-2003 12:54 AM  13 years agoPost 35
Rotor

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What I like about the Raptor is more than one thing but I have never talked to a Raptor owner/flyer yet the after a crash said, "Well I don't have the money to ever fix this thing back up but I have heard more than once a Fury owner/flyer say, "This one is done as I am not going to spend that much money to repair it." It is not that the Fury is not a great flying heli but the crash index is too high for many flyers/crashers such as me..Just my thoughts...

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly

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12-26-2003 06:47 AM  13 years agoPost 36
d-n-jensen

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for the most part the crash index for a fury is only slightly higher than others when minor crashes are involved. There are some sub assemblies in the Fury that cost $$$$ but they are not usually in the crash index parts list.

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