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12-20-2003 09:32 PM  13 years agoPost 21
Dazzler

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When I did mine seemed the HD liner was thicker, and was perfect when I put it in without any shims. You may find the same with yours but if you dont, I have heard people using a business card thickness paper, and shimming with that.

The material Al Magaloff uses comes thicker, and he actually installs it, and then puts the clutchbell in a lathe and turns it down to size, he made one for me and it is really nice, but havent had a chance to use it yet. So if you happen to have a lathe in the corner of your basement that is the ideal method but you will have to get with Al, and let him tell you the material he uses, otherwise you will just have to shim it with paper, and install glue between all surfaces.

BTW, I used 30 min epoxy to install my liner, and its holding fine, some use JB Weld.

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12-20-2003 09:41 PM  13 years agoPost 22
Buzzin Brian

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Yeah I knew about the glue to use. I will be useing JB weld. And I had heard about useing a business card. But wasn't sure.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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12-21-2003 04:26 AM  13 years agoPost 23
George Matthews

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Gee Daz I know Al wouldn't send me his old bearing he would want me to have the new style.

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12-21-2003 10:17 AM  13 years agoPost 24
Al Magaloff

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12-21-2003 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 25
Dazzler

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Georg

Just trying to be a freind!!!

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12-21-2003 03:53 PM  13 years agoPost 26
Al Magaloff

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I like that! Pre-enjoyed auto bearings.

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12-21-2003 04:00 PM  13 years agoPost 27
Dazzler

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Pre-enjoyed auto bearings
Now that sounds alot better than "used".

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12-21-2003 04:13 PM  13 years agoPost 28
George Matthews

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Well I guess I have pre enjoyed my bearing until all the enjoyment is sapped out. Time for the new style.
But now the question is what do I do with the bearing reinforcment ring I have ? Do you need it with the new bearing ?

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12-21-2003 04:38 PM  13 years agoPost 29
Al Magaloff

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Hahah! I have two in the package, also! You won't need it with the new style. I'm going to have a massive Raptor garage sale soon! Otherwise, my casket is going to need to be BIG

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12-21-2003 09:13 PM  13 years agoPost 30
HelicopterJohn

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Here is the picture

Thanks AL


Click on picture to enlarge.
After enlarged click bottom right corner to supersize.

Al Said: Thanks for hosting the picture. I have one of the hubs mounted to a 91 tooth gear, ready for installation. The black hub is plastic, molded with the internal splines to match the outside of the roller. The roller slides into the hub, then gets capped by a ball bearing. The new mast collar is a nice one piece affair with the now required spacer tube. The short black aluminum tube presses into the bottom of the red gear.

It is also posted in my gallery under Raptor Goodies

OC Bob's Gathering #2 was a Premiere Event. Pictures in my Gallery

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12-21-2003 09:56 PM  13 years agoPost 31
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Looks really nice, and very similar to the Freya, actually it looks just like the one for the Freya. Cant wait to get mine now!!!

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12-21-2003 10:23 PM  13 years agoPost 32
Peter65

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Hi guys,

I just built a new V2 from Heli-kraft and it didnt come with the upgrade part . I will vouch for Heli-kraft though. I have been buying quite a bit of stuff from there and John is a good guy to deal with. His prices are always low and will go the extra mile for you. I am yet to buy my electrics but they will be purchased from John.

On the liner clearance
I used a slice of Coke can as a shim between the bell and the liner and also did the electrical tape trick on my 30 and so far havent had any trouble with it. It seems to fly better too.

Merry Christmas All

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12-21-2003 10:34 PM  13 years agoPost 33
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You need the hardened mainshaft as well

I've been running this auto bearing for the past 4 months or so (from rotor.com.sg), because the rollers engage on the mainshaft they eat the shaft around the top of the engagement point. I found this out when I found I couldn't get the shaft out past the top bearing. The marks were bad enough to jam against the inner race of the top bearing. Ended up having to take the top bearing block etc etc out to get the shaft out for surgery.

Anyway - I've just fitted the hardened mainshaft and I'm hoping this should fix the one-ways appetite for the shaft.

Also - you might want to cut back the elevator rocker where it protrudes close to the new mainshaft collar. I found mine was rubbing on the collar somehow during flight. The protrusions are for the mounting screws and are a fair way longer than required.

I had a v1 auto bearing which started the lockup trick so I bought the upgrade. Its been good so far - runs very freely with the ball races, not that I've noticed much during actual auto's. The worst bit is it is a pain to get in compared to the old style - the bottom bearing likes to drop out if I fumble, its a bit like assembling a house of cards.

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12-22-2003 02:16 AM  13 years agoPost 34
Al Magaloff

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I did go with the hardened mainshaft, because the rollers do run directly on the shaft. I assembled my mechanics today, with the new auto hub, and boy, is it smooth.

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12-22-2003 02:26 AM  13 years agoPost 35
Dazzler

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I fortunately ordered the hardened main shaft with the new auto bearing, I guess the Heli Gods were watching over me

Daz...

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12-24-2003 10:39 AM  13 years agoPost 36
SIKORSKY

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carefully to used it

Hi everyone

I knoe the new type autorotation bearing hub.
But you must to know these matters as bleow.
1) You must used it with harden main shaft.
You can't used the new type autorotation hub with normal black
main shaft.
2) Please used harden or new type main shaft with it.
How to make out the new or old. Old one is always black.
So you must check the main shaft before using new type
autorotation hub.
3)Black main shaft is more soft than bearing pin.So if you used the old
black main shaft will cause your shaft wear out. So the finally result
is the main shaft can't be transfered power from main gear.
Must be carefully.
Good Luck

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12-24-2003 11:43 AM  13 years agoPost 37
Peter65

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I am assuming that I got the new hardened main shaft as mine is plain steel in colour. Not black?

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12-24-2003 09:07 PM  13 years agoPost 38
Al Magaloff

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Peter, if it's a TT part, then yes, it is the hardened one.

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12-24-2003 10:27 PM  13 years agoPost 39
Peter65

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It came in the kit. So I am happy. That's one thing I don't have to upgrade

Merry Christmas All

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12-24-2003 11:34 PM  13 years agoPost 40
Mr_Magoo

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I think that you'd want a larger dia. oneway bearing to transmit higher torque. Larger dia. means less force per roller and possibly more rollers so even less force. A oneway riding the mainshaft is smaller than the original 1way bearing. Maybe the lugged 1ways are rated for higher torque. I would also think you'd want your oneway to be press fit into a metal housing to minimize expansion of the oneway housing. I'll be interested to read how this new bearing performs long term. I hope it works well.

JMO,
Magoo

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