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12-19-2003 10:52 AM  14 years agoPost 1
Al Magaloff

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The new bearing assembly, part # PV0383, is awesome! Man, what a nice unit. HeliKraft's price is $25.71 (USD) currently.

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12-19-2003 01:52 PM  14 years agoPost 2
Dazzler

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Just ordered one AL after seeing your thoughts on it, its a good time to order stuff from Helikraft since they are giving an extra 5% off for the holidays, it came to $25.17, I think you got the last two numbers crossed. I ordered a bunch of other stuff too to make the shipping worth it.

Thanks for the info, Daz....

BTW, this is the 1st time I've ordered from them since they changed their website, and man was it easy to place the order, gives the shipping $ instantly, and takes you right to paypal, very nice.

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12-19-2003 02:01 PM  14 years agoPost 3
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Is this a new one from TT to cure the intermittant lockup probs?

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12-19-2003 11:26 PM  14 years agoPost 4
Al Magaloff

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Good goin' Daz! My order came to $700 . I'm going to place another order this weekend. The interesting thing about this new design, the Torrington roller cage does not press fit into the hub. The outside of the roller is "splined" so to speak, for lack of a better term. The inside diameter of the auto hub is molded with the same "spline" only slightly smaller, so the fit is a very nice thumb push fit. What this does is, by not pressing the roller cage in, the inside diameter where the mainshaft runs is not compromised at all. Martin, I think this goes a long way to solving all lock up troubles. Also, with a loose press fit on the original auto hub, some 90's were spinning the roller cage in the hub.The roller cage is supported on either side with ball bearings, similar to mainshaft bearings. This new set-up is nice! Thanks to James( Spurry) for the recommendation.

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12-19-2003 11:32 PM  14 years agoPost 5
Mr_Magoo

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Al:

It is my understanding the difference in this unit is that the (2) bushings are replaced by bearings. I don't think the R60/90 auto bearing assembly is side loaded very much during autos. It seems the 35/50 unit under belt tension would benifit more from the switch to bearings. The 30/50 unit also needs to have a bearing between the split gear and the outer housing on the 30/50. Anyway, does the new R60 housing have any changes besides these bearings? Have you had a chance to notice improved auto performance?

Nevermind

Magoo

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12-19-2003 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Al Magaloff

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Magoo, I just received mine Tuesday. The entire assembly is different, in addition to the two ball bearings, replacing the bronze bushings.

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12-20-2003 12:18 AM  13 years agoPost 7
HelicopterJohn

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Pictures

Does anyone have any good detailed pictures of this new unit?

OC Bob's Gathering #2 was a Premiere Event. Pictures in my Gallery

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12-20-2003 02:22 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Dazzler

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My order came to $700
Wow Al, you did place a nice order, that sounds like a heli kit mixed up in there, but I know it wasnt, I now know where to go if all the online retailers are out of the parts I need, my order came to about $127, I ordered the hardened main shaft for the hell of it, and a servo reinforcement for the collective servo, dont even know what the hell that is, but it was only $9.50, and it sounded cool, so what the hell.

Thanks for the further info, but when I get mine, it will be much easier to see the difference.

Daz...

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12-20-2003 02:41 AM  13 years agoPost 9
George Matthews

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Gee guys now I have to get one.

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12-20-2003 03:08 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Dazzler

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Georg

I was going to give you my old one

Daz...

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12-20-2003 04:52 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Rmac41

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Hey Al,
Will this result in a smoother one way bearing ,with less friction?
Let us know what you think of it.
Thanks,

Rick McCullough < Stockbridge, Ga.>

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12-20-2003 05:03 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Al Magaloff

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Rick, definitely smoother! John, I'll take them, if you can post them.

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12-20-2003 01:38 PM  13 years agoPost 13
HelicopterJohn

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Al Magaloff

Thanks for offering to take some pictures of the new bearing assembly, part # PV0383 (or is it PV0338 as Daz stated). Let me know the correct part number.

I will send you my e-mail address so you can send the pictures to me. I will post them in my gallery here on RR. If you have anything you would like to have posted along with the pictures such as a more detailed description or information on improved flight performance I would be glad to post it also.

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12-20-2003 01:49 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Dazzler

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Helicopter John

The part # Al shows is the correct # PV0383, I was talking about the last 2 numbers of the price were backwards $25.71 should have been $25.17, but the part # is 100% correct.

Daz...

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12-20-2003 01:49 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Buzzin Brian

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So is this part going to be in new kits, or is it an upgrade? I have a new Raptor 60 kit coming from HeliProz, and am wondering if this might be in the box. Any ideas?

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12-20-2003 02:02 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Dazzler

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Brian, I doubt it. I think you will be getting the stock bearing assembly, I dont think the US retailers are even carrying the new assembly yet. And it will also come with the stock (black) clutch liner.

Daz...

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12-20-2003 02:08 PM  13 years agoPost 17
HelicopterJohn

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Part Number Clarification

DAZ.

Thanks for the clarification. I read your post again and I now understand.

I think I am going to get a cup a coffee and wake up!!!!!

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12-20-2003 02:30 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Buzzin Brian

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OK well perhaps I will need to order one of these little things. So what is wrong with the stock clutch liner? I was thinking about going to the 90 sized clutch. Any thoughts on that?

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12-20-2003 02:45 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Dazzler

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The stock liner is pretty soft, and will wear fairly quickly. Dont get me wrong it wont wear right away, but when its time to change it, I would definetly go with the HD liner.

As far as the 90 size clutchbell, and clutch, if you are going to use a 60-70 size motor the stock clutch & bell will work fine, the only problem is the stock setup most of the time comes with too large of a gap between the liner and the clutch, at times it will be .017/side, and you want it to be .006/side. When I 1st built my R70 I installed a 90 clutch, and clutchbell and the clutch broke after 7 flights, so I went back to the stock clutch & bell and it has worked fine ever since. I may have just gotten a bad clutch back then, and my liner installation wasnt the best, I do have a 90 clutch & bell ready to go if the stock unit ever fail, but it has over 250 flights on the stock unit with HD liner, and all is well.

If I were you, I would check the gap on the clutchliner when you get it, and if its too large remove the stock liner, and install the HD liner with a .006 gap/side, and use the stock clutch and bell(w HD liner). If you are installing an 80-90 size engine go with the 90 size clutch and bell, and install HD liner.

Daz...

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12-20-2003 08:52 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Buzzin Brian

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OK makes sense, so how are you shimming to take up the gap on the liner? I know I have heard of tape, but that doesn't seem right. Any ideas?

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