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12-18-2003 11:58 PM  13 years agoPost 1
yf22k

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Hey guys, I've been hearing bad things about the quality of this piece from helihobby in the piccolo forum...I do hear a few good things but It seems someone may be signing on multiple names just to bash helihobby. This complete kit looks like a direct replacement on a hornet. Can anyone give me some good and bad points about this. Especially if you have it.

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Keith

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12-19-2003 12:39 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Hoverup

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12-19-2003 02:04 AM  13 years agoPost 3
yf22k

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I'm looking for more opinions. I have read 4 different posts including the one above and it seems the same people are posting the same thing in each forum. I know there must be more people who have purchased it. Feedback please!

-Keith

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12-19-2003 02:25 AM  13 years agoPost 4
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12-19-2003 03:12 AM  13 years agoPost 5
yf22k

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like i said i've read the post and have heard your opnion. I'm looking for more people who have used it. And no i'm not looking for a good report just not the same ones over and over from the same people. Statistically on forums you'll hear people gripe more than praise something. And being that there's only been a few responses so far it throws off the results.

-Keith

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12-19-2003 01:39 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Sao

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Ive not got the full head but i had the flaybar bridge and top head piece.
Took them both off and threw them away in disgust, they just dont fit all it did was add a load of unwanted slop into the system.
Now the Head i got from Deetee is an entrirely different matter, well made and most importantly of all it actually fits and does what it's supposed to

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12-19-2003 02:00 PM  13 years agoPost 7
yf22k

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ah ok. I'll probalby end up getting a lot of option parts from deetee. It seems more people have and like their products. I'm just looking for the most reliable, durable, and slop free parts.


-Keith

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12-20-2003 08:35 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Crasher

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If you search I think you'll find it's a waste of money. Deetee sells upgrades that actually have a purpose but I guess you could throw your money away on the red bueaty...

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12-22-2003 06:21 PM  13 years agoPost 9
yf22k

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Crasher,

Like i said i'm just looking for other's opinions. And in the above post i said i'm going to get my parts from deetee.

-Keith

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12-22-2003 09:42 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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I'm well aware that a lot of the super-head pieces are junk, but has anyone had good or bad experiences with just the aluminum head block (#447)? I'm sick of those little brass inserts that don't line up with the plastic head block, and I'm hoping there's a good fix without spending the money for a whole set of cnc grips and bearings which I dont really need.

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12-24-2003 09:54 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Xnaron

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Buy the aluminum head from deetee http://www.deeteeenterprises.com I have seen it up close and it is very well made. It fits the Hornet 2 and original Hornet perfectly. You also can't go wrong dealing with Dennis. He is a great guy that stands behind his products.


Cheers!

Brendin

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12-24-2003 10:20 PM  13 years agoPost 12
HiroboEric

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I think the head works great. There have been some refinements to clear up issues. I didn't like a few things about the head and I have been directly envolved with it's R and D. I think the only thing I didn't like was the timing pins but that has been changed now to a fatter pin which is alot better for durability and slop reduction. The setscrew pin/ jesus pin was a great new option. I wish the dampers would stay in place better. I use a drop of CA on the lowest ring and it keeps the in place really nice and also stiffens the dapning. I would suggest this if your looking to improve the cyclic response but not if your a novice or prefer more calming flight. The other big thing is use red lock tight on what ever metal to metal parts you go with. It really sucks when the come apart in flight. I think the only real problem I have had with the helicopter has been the ice build up on the blades when flying in wet snow conditions. I think some antifreeze polishing may square away that though.

Eric Pacheco, AirWorksRC.com

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12-24-2003 10:28 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Crasher

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Great, you won the lottery on quality from Helihobby(or Sean was damn sure to get you a good set).


I second the Deetee head. Actually offers a performance increase.

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12-26-2003 04:01 AM  13 years agoPost 14
hornet dave

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Damn, I really wish I had access to a Bridgeport. I guess it says a lot when I pose this question on two bulletin boards and I didnt get even one positive, non-biased, response.

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12-26-2003 10:50 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Phil_Mart

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I've just fitted one of these to a Hornet II, well the bits that arrived. This brings up two gripes about HH. The fact that they dont/dint confirm the order by email or inform me of stock shortages, just dispatched what they had with the remainder on backorder Also the kit is now a mixture of Red and Silver parts! The bits that failed to arrive are the Collective Horn, Blade Grips and new Shaft Collar

However the bits I have got are certainly and improvement as regards 'tightness' over the stock bits, there is a very noticeable reduction in the amount of free play in the head now, however!

The kit has some problems that may be due to changes in the design of the Hornet II. First the CNC Connecting rods seem too long, they are certainly longer than the stock ones by about 5mm. This pushes the Swash down and its movement is then restricted by the existing Shaft locking Collar fowling on the inside of the Swash. This maybe curred if the new Collar (when it arrives) is of a smaller O/D than the original. Also the Anti Rotation bracket seems to fit too low on the main shaft support/guide tube, and the Allen key they supplied for the 'micro grub screws' is about two sizes to big!

Certainly though the response from the heli is a lot crisper with the bits I have so far fitted, but the is an underlying problem (also had it with the stock head). This is probably down to me as it's the first time I've used a CCPM set up. The heli's thing in life is to fly to the Left. I now have the swash with about 5 degrees tilt to the right to try and counter act this, but I'm fighting it all the time in the hover. It must be a timing issue with the dam thing but so far I cant figure it out Any help there please

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12-26-2003 11:32 PM  13 years agoPost 16
hornet dave

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Phil - make sure the headspeed is at least 2100 rpm. The swash will need to be tilted to the right a little, but that doesnt seem to be a problem in itself.

Secondly, the CNC connecting hoops have been reported to be too long by some, but the fix is easy. The plastic ball links on the hoops can be trimmed easily, all it takes is a razor blade.

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12-27-2003 12:11 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Phil_Mart

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Thanks for that. Always the obvious that can escape you!

I'll certainly check the head speed, may need to step it up on the throttle curve a little as even with 6 degrees at mid stick I'm still having to goto more like 3/4 stick before it gets off the ground.

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