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12-18-2003 04:17 AM  13 years agoPost 1
heli newguy

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Sorry to re-hash this one. As my name suggests, I'm not the most experienced heli pilot...yet I do, however, have the hovering down pretty well and am advancing to forward flight.

I've got the RealFlight G2 simulator and it seems pretty decent to me. I've seen others post that Reflex is better but never really seen anything that substantiates this information. That is, most just say it feels better. Can someone tell me specifically what 'feels' better and what differentiates this from RealFlight? I wanna see what I'd be buying for another $200.00.

Appreciate any and all feedback!

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12-18-2003 05:02 AM  13 years agoPost 2
gregw

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See http://runryder.com/helicopter/t68875p1/

Download the demo at http://www.reflex-sim.com/ and see for yourself

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12-18-2003 07:02 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Ninjak2k

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The demo gives you no idea about feel and that's my biggest complaint with it. I really like my RealFlight and, when everyone was going app-dooky over Reflex, I decided I had to have it too. Well, long story short, I sold Reflex 2 weeks after receiving it for a loss.

To me, the two were not that much different. I certainly did not feel RealFlight was a piece of crap after fooling with Reflex. If anything, I thought Reflex was way too touchy and I could not for the life of me get the engine to run right without the head governor on. Started a post on it and received a few posts with advice, but couldn't solve the problem. Never had issues with RealFlight. I know this isn't the case for everyone as people have had difficulties with RealFlight setups. That should be expected with all software; machines are too different.

RealFlight will certainly teach you perspective and help with learning new aerobatics. It taught me to fly helicopters with no help from another soul.

~Dan

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12-18-2003 07:03 PM  13 years agoPost 4
SPB

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I am not so experienced pilot as well to recognise the differences by myself.

I am using Reflex and having read all these posts about these two sims I made a kind of "test" between the two sims. A friend of mine uses G2 so one day when we were gathered at his place I asked from 3 more experienced pilots to try G2 and then try Reflex on my laptop.
All of them agreed that Reflex is more realistic and said that G2 is more like a game. All of them are using CSM and said that they are going to upgrade to Reflex. Same physics as CSM with better graphics.

One more thing that verifies all the above is that when I first bought Reflex I didn't knew nothing about helis. I bought it to start practicing and learn hovering w/out having a real heli. So when I was trying to maintain a stable hover in Reflex that same time I could easily hover in my friends G2.

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12-18-2003 07:13 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Voyager

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I have both and find that each has strengths.

RF G2 is MUCH better for graphics and ease of use but the helis are way to easy to fly. They just 'sit there'.

Reflex graphics SUCK big time in the scenery but the helis that can be downloaded (free) are great.
The flying in much more realistic.
Some examples:
When skidding around on the ground, the runway, short and long grass all react as they should.
When doing rolls, messing up the colective gives you more realistic 'problems'
The engine bogs when loaded in a more realistic manor.
The list goes on and on and on ...

email me if you want more comparisons in other areas.

... Rob

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12-18-2003 07:19 PM  13 years agoPost 6
G.Man

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Voyager gives a good comparison, the current BACKGROUNDS on reflex are poor compared to G2, but the heli grafix and physics own G2....

Reflex 5 will kill it big style... no contest... they are better then realflight was in comparison to the rest when realflight got its customer base...

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12-18-2003 07:22 PM  13 years agoPost 7
martwill

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U.K.

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G2/REFLEX

Hi,
I have both sims.
I bought Reflex about a month ago.
I like Reflex a lot,but to say it is way better than G2 just doesn`t add up.
G2 is far more adjustable than Reflex to an extent where you can make G2 fly anyway you like.
It seems a lot of people just don`t know how or what to set up on this sim.
I still find myself flying G2 more.
However the modeling in Reflex is impressive and i can`t wait for V5 to arrive.
Both sims have their place,they are quite different products.

Martin.

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12-18-2003 10:15 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Voyager

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Canada

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Tuning G2 and Reflex

I find that changing the setting on Reflex is fairly complicated as they are not well explained in the current version. BUT, when you do make a change such as engine power, it is realistic.

I find that in G2, even though it is easy to change things like blade geometry and flybar characteristics, the changes don't really effect the model in an realistic way. I see G2 as fooling ourselves into thinking that we can easily change so many things but the results don't really add up to much thats worht while.

I still like to fly around the tropical beach in G2 but when it comes to seeing the diference between my Voyager 50 and Voyager E on a Sim, then Reflex is the ONLY real choice.

I fly G2 for fun and Reflex for flight training. Both are good to have.

... Rob

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12-19-2003 01:22 AM  13 years agoPost 9
pchuckie

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Pemberton TWP, NJ

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Reflex is just horrible, the bad graphics do not do the trick for me. The program may be awesome but it just seems like a huge step backwards. Reminds me of the old Dave Brown sim, the blades were dots. Besides no matter how much you doctor the sim, it will never fly the same as the real model.

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12-19-2003 01:39 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Voyager

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Canada

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Reflex
Although the ground has no real detail (compared to G2) I find the heli and the sky to be better graphic quality than G2. Since I try to fly in the sky rather than looking at the ground scenery, the lack of detail does not detract from the 'flying' experience for me.

... Rob

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12-19-2003 01:49 AM  13 years agoPost 11
pchuckie

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I took a look and I still think G2 has better graphics of just the heli than does Reflex.
If I bought a new truck and didn't really like it I would be hard pressed to admit I made a 30 grand mistake. Guess that explains both sides of the fence.
However, I had my wife check it out " she dislikes the hobby" She says G2 is better.
We need a impartial jury.

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12-19-2003 01:50 AM  13 years agoPost 12
manarb

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Tampa, FL

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Aerofly Professional

Take a look at this one. Primarily a plank simulator but the choppers are also great.

http://www.ipacs.de/

I just got it and the graphics are fantastic.

Leo

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12-19-2003 06:29 AM  13 years agoPost 13
SPB

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pchuckie the question here is if you want a game or a tool.
If you want a game G2 is perfect. The purpose of the sim is not to entertain you is to silumate as much as possible the behavior of a real heli in order to practice some maneuvres without risking damaging your valuable bird. The closer to the reality the less the posibility to damage your real heli when you will do the maneuvre.
Personally I don't use the sim as the Playstation I using it as a practice equipment.
Actually when I was looking what to buy I was thinking to buy CSM instead of Reflex only because of the physics. Only when I was convinced that Reflex had same physics as CSM with better graphics I bought Reflex.
I don't say that graphics are not necessary but in this case they are not the primary request.

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12-19-2003 07:29 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Helimex

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Love my G2. Would not be where I'm at today experience wise without G2. G2 been berry,berry good to me. Good luck.

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12-19-2003 09:19 AM  13 years agoPost 15
G.Man

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Bristol

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pchuckie

http://www.rcsim.de/sreenshots_xtr.htm

reflex may be slightly inferior at present...

but in 1-2 months reflex will make G2 look like a poor atari 2600 game...

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12-19-2003 09:51 AM  13 years agoPost 16
pchuckie

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SPB,
I don't use G2 as a game, rather a tool to learn stick movements and nothing else. I have found I make fewer mistakes with the real heli that way. I would never believe that you could learn a absolute new move to perfection with the sim and fly the real heli through the same move with the same perfection. The major difference is if you crash the real thing it's going to affect your bottom line, cash.
Why would you just assume I am using G2 as a game? That's like assuming I'm a 14 year old gamer. In fact I don't own any video games of any kind, unless you count solitaire


Galifrey
I went to the website earlier and downloaded the trial version, graphics and flight characteristics were as mentioned before, less than good. However after following your supplied link, I think you may be right. Those screen shots look very good.

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12-19-2003 10:42 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Reflex ProductsrrVeteran - Elmshorn, Germany - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

@pchuckie: I respect oppinions. If you don't like it - no problem. But I don't respect wrong facts. Maybe I havn't seen a DB lately and maybe the sceneries are lousy compared to G2 (we are FLIGHT simulators, no SCENERY simulators ...) but we are VERY hard to match with the display of our models. I don't know where you got the "dot-like" idea from but just tell me what this is:

.. plus the possibility to do your own models plus, plus ...

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to change your oppinion and I certainly respect your decision. I just want to get things right on some appearance issues.

Cheers - wolfgang

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12-19-2003 11:07 AM  13 years agoPost 18
G.ManrrProfessor - Bristol - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Methinks pchuckie must have just been looking at the old models on the demo...

He needs to download some of the pukka models like the caliber and the 3dnt and check them out as well as the ones WSN has posted above...

The Heli models are easily as good as the ones in G2 and will only get better as modellers get to grips with the heli making software...

The level of animation is superb... fulliy moving swashplates and linkages, apart from the current backgrounds you can almost think you are flying for real...

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12-19-2003 01:32 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Data Android

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Here is my opinion (and that's all it is) on this issue.

graphics are very important to me, if it doesn't look good, I don't use it that often or long enough.
If there is no fun, I have no reason to do it and this is where graphics come into place.

SPB, I think you're totally wrong in my point of view, because I want to be entertained, if I can't be entertained, I look for something else (I'm not making a living with Hellis).

Now, lets see about the physics.
No matter how different they are, the sim teaches you the most important part no matter what and that is which stick and what stick movement makes the helli do what.

I always see statements like the physics are much better with sim A then with sim B, like what? what maneuver can you do with sim A that you can not do with sim B?
heck, I adjust one little setting on G2 and it "feels" like flying a different sim. You could fool someone in changing graphics and let him/her fly the same Helli with one little setting different and I bet they would never know it is the same sim. and tell you which has better physics.
I have tweaked my plank in G2 to a point where the take-off was very unrealistic for whatever reason, but the flight performance was so close that I couldn't tell the difference of flying my real plank or the sim.
I'm sure the same can be accomplished with a Helli.
I have not bothered with trying it, because when I try something new, I try it with 4-5 different Hellis in the sim and when I can do it with them, I can do it with my real one.

And just as a side note, as soon as Reflex 5 hits the market and has the same or even better physics, I'll run out and by it, but only for the graphics, because they will make me practice even longer

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12-19-2003 03:12 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Rob Shaw

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You can change the grass & runway textures easily to make it more realistic.....

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