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12-17-2003 07:50 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Metallikiller

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Pittsburgh, PA - United States

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I am buillding a freya eagle sst. Well I am done building it I should say. All that needs to be done is to add an engine and servos. Well now to my question. I downloaded the model for RealFlight G2 that is supposed to emulate the freya. Wow does the real heli react this slowly? Is this really the way the real heli is going to act with an OS .60. What 's the deal? Do I need to put the .90 in the real freya? Do I need to lighten it by adding graphite frames? Or is this just a flaw in the physics of the flight simulator. I was told this is a good heli. But it seems like in the sim when I try to do anything it takes for ever and a day for the hleicoper to repond. If it's the sim, any advice on a motor and settings to customize it to make it act more like the real thing?

I am not to pleased with the way it handles I thougt I was gonna get a great heli. I hope this is just a bad setup in the sim.

Thanks in advance!

Metallikiller
"He who hesitates is Lost."

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12-17-2003 08:03 PM  13 years agoPost 2
mrNoodles

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Borlänge, Sweden

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Bad sim setup. Cant compare with the real thing.

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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12-17-2003 08:08 PM  13 years agoPost 3
z11355

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New England

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agreed.

although, the freya does prefer a bit
more horsepower since it isn't the lightest
machine around.

I think you sim model needs work.

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12-17-2003 08:09 PM  13 years agoPost 4
greger

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Mesa, AZ

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Which one did you download? All helicopters and all sim helicopters can be set up mild to aggessive. Paddle size, paddle weight, head speed, blade type, and cyclic travel (as well as many other factors) all affect how a helicopter responds.

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12-17-2003 08:21 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Franconia2

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Shrewsury, MA

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I purchased and built a Freya 70 with a Mavrik muffler from heliproz last winter. The ship is great but it did not produce enough power until I upgraded to a Hitori muffler. Wow, what a difference. Its a great ship, requires little maintaince and can be set up from mild to wild and anyplace in between by adjusting the stock paddle weights or adjusting the flybar.

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12-17-2003 08:29 PM  13 years agoPost 6
rcadd1ct

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Richardson, Texas

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I live in Richardson. I can show you an x-spec and a standard freya with OS 91's if you would like.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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12-17-2003 08:37 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Dazzler

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Ohio

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I have a YS80 in mine, and it performs great, personally I dont think a Freya is going to be anything close to ballistic with a OS61, and its not just the Freya, a Raptor is not going to be all that great with a 61 either. The OS61 is going to fly the heli, but dont expect a rocket, as if you see RCaddicts helis with 91's. Once you see the Freya with an 80, or 91 then you will really think the Freya with OS61 is a dog.

So my advice is to not look at Rcaddict heli's for now, and fly the 61, once you see the need for more power, move up to at least an 80. The OS70 is a good engine also, but I think if you eventually upgrade you may as well go bigger than the 70.

Just my 2cents,

Daz...

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12-17-2003 09:10 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Metallikiller

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Pittsburgh, PA - United States

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RC addict

I have seen the X-spec fly. I have seen the regular freya fly as well. I just want make sure I am not going to have to make a huge investment to get mine to be more reactive. I have a raptor 30 now and a hirobo shuttle.

I am afraid when I get this thing in the air it's going to fly like a brick in the sim. I bought the heli here in town. But the person who store that sold it to me is alwasy trying to upsale me to a larger motor. Seems like they think I will need a bigger motor with this as well. Also the heli that I like in the sim is the Foiler 3d competition. Can I get the freya to run like that machine in the sim and in the real world as well?


I mean if I have to I would get the carbon frames from ricks and lower my weight considerably from what I've heard that's all the x-spec is a lighter maching better head no doubt but they wanted to get the weight down.

So buy a .60 or .70 or .90 or upgrade to carbon and put a 60 in it and the power to weight ration becomes more balanced?


Thanks

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12-17-2003 09:23 PM  13 years agoPost 9
mrNoodles

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Borlänge, Sweden

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The lower frames wont do that big difference, and it will cost you almost as much as a 90 engine.
One piece engine mount, CF fins are some of the things that adds to the XSpec´s lower weight.
I had a YS80 in my plastic Freya, and has recently replaced it with a YS91. It flies great, and theres no lack of power.

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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12-17-2003 09:41 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Franconia2

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Shrewsury, MA

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Metallikiller

Depends on your experience and the type of flying you prefer or aspire to. If you have the building experience and need/want for the power, go for the 90.

When I researched the freya on RR last year the general opinion was that the helo is heavy and needed something larger than a 60. There were also a lot of posts about the vibration and stress that a big block 80 or 90 puts on a ship. I did not want to chase down vibration issues as this was my first 60 size ship. Also, with only 2 years experience with Helos (in fact with any RC vehicle) I wanted to focus on burning fuel rather than tweeking the ship.

So I decided to go with an OS 70, upgraded to a Hitori muffler and it works great for me.

I'll propably sell the freya and buy an xspec when I'm ready to upgrade to a 80 or 90.

PS My other helo is a Rap50 which has tons of power and is tons of fun to fly.

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12-17-2003 09:43 PM  13 years agoPost 11
rob_jones

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Perry, GA

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It's not a brick!

I fly a standard Freya with a YS 61 and it has plenty of power. No, it's not overpowered. Yes, it could use more.

BUT, don't concern yourself with that right now. When you get to a point where you need more power, you'll know it. If you're still asking if you'll have enough power, you don't need it yet!

Blade 550X, T-Rex 450 Pro FBL

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12-17-2003 09:49 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Metallikiller

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Pittsburgh, PA - United States

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What servos reccomended?

I have some 811's here. Everyone says 811's are to weak I would need more torque. Which are the best servos to go with for this size machine? JR 8311, 81010? Gy 401 and the 9253 on the tail?

Thanks

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12-17-2003 09:55 PM  13 years agoPost 13
rcadd1ct

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Richardson, Texas

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I have never flown a 60 in a 60.

From what I know a 60 in a 60 will act like the power of a 30 in a 30.

You should be able to flip and roll a 60 in a 60 fairly well it is just the fact that the head speed will drop if you do not manage collective.

A Big Block will let you stick bang.

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12-17-2003 10:01 PM  13 years agoPost 14
sluggo

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Kitchener Ont

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Metallikiller the freya will fly fine with the 60. You may not have the power to go from trick to trick without letting the head speed catch up that is about it. As for the sim heli it flys nothing like the real thing.

The first time I flew my X-spec it was off the hook and I had to tame it down a little. You may also want to check out the os 70. It seems to have alot of power andruns super smooth. I am sure you will be very happy with the heli when you get it up in the air. The freya's are a very smooth locked in heli to fly but will get low and dirty with any other heli out there.

Take your time setting it up and try different setups tell you find the one that suits your style.

Chris

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12-17-2003 10:03 PM  13 years agoPost 15
rob_jones

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Perry, GA

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I have 8231's on the cyclics, 401/9250 for the tail, a standard 517 on throttle and a pair of 4031's linked together for the collective.

A flying buddy (who flies a Fury with a YS91) flew it and thought it had an 80. Flips, tumbles, inverted climbouts: No problem.

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12-17-2003 10:11 PM  13 years agoPost 16
sluggo

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Kitchener Ont

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The 8311 will be good on the pitch and you can go with 8101 on the cyclics. If you want to try out futaba servos then the 9252's make a great cyclic servo and a futaba 9350 or Airtronics 94758 on the pitch. The401/9253 is a great choice for the tail but if you want the best then a 601/9251.

Chris

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12-17-2003 10:58 PM  13 years agoPost 17
Scooterpilot

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Southern, California

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Freya & YS 61 ST II

Hi,

I have a standard Freya with aYS 61 STII it. For learning 3D you can't beat it. Then if you run a governor and dial the head speed down to 1625 and learn all your manuevers at that head speed it makes you perform all the manuevers without loading the motor. At the beginning it makes flying more difficult , but IMO, you learn to be a much smoother pilot

Then after you can perform the manuevers @ 1625 crank the head speed up to 1850....and the model will come alive. Will it react like a 80 or 90......no, but after you adjust your flying skills to the higher head speed; then, you'll proably want to upgrade to a larger motor and you'll be ready for it.

Regards,

Team Thunder Tiger, Team Futaba, Two G-4's, Two X50's YS60SR,Tx12Z/14FG,YSRep,RailBlades/S

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12-18-2003 04:21 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Phelipcopter

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Singapore

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I was in the same situation and I finally decided to get a 91 but limit the throttle travel to say 80% until I can handle the extra power. I think this will save me buying a 60, then a 80 and then a 91 as I need more power. I have yet to try it out but hope this will work.

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12-18-2003 05:16 PM  13 years agoPost 19
MRC-Hirobo

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Edison, NJ

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Where is this Freya RFG2 download at?

I also use the Foiler and the two are pretty close. My foiler is a little more out of control but that is ok as the real thing is a LOT smoother.

The foiler like that make me work harder. Fun to play with as well. The stock one is pretty close for me.

RFG2 big help in learning all the piro manuevers.

Jeff

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12-18-2003 05:22 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Kinger

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Granville, OH

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I'm thinking you may be referring to the X-Spec skin that's out on Real Flights web page. The reason I say that is the skin is made to go over the Sun Dog heli and that heli is certainly much less responsive than the Foiler.

Maybe I'm wrong though and there actually is a Freya for download on their site and I've missed it.

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