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12-16-2003 11:28 PM  13 years agoPost 1
AA8VL

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Well, I am selling a few of my choppers to help buy a sports car.

True Vigor CS RTF in MINT condition
-Vigor CS $950
-4 9252 digital servos $320.00
-YS80 engine $265.00
-GY601 gyro w/9251 servo $380.00
-Tons of aluminum upgrade arms etc $100.00
-Futaba 8 channel PCM Slimline Receiver w/crystal $145.00
-Carbon frames, tail etc
-710 or 720 V-Blade Carbon mains and MS carbon Tail 130.00
-Two custom painted cannopies $60.00
-over $100.00 in brand new in package spare parts
-1800 MAH battery $30.00


Everything for $1500 Shipped anywhere in US. Will not separate.

Also Have XCELL GASSER RTF AND PRO2 RTF that will be listed soon.

Email for photos!


Thanks,
Chris, AA8VL
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12-17-2003 01:44 PM  13 years agoPost 2
AA8VL

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If you are a JR guy and dont want the Futaba PCM receiver or have your own...I will sell for $1350 Shipped.

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12-17-2003 03:34 PM  13 years agoPost 3
AA8VL

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Photos are located here: http://www.ssb-audio.com/vigor

Thanks,
Chris Patterson, AA8VL
614-554-8644

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12-24-2003 06:02 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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This is one Sweet Heli! I have seen it! How about a '63 ragtop Vdub project for your next "sports car"?

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01-24-2004 10:54 PM  13 years agoPost 5
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Funds sent via paypal

Heli has been paid for on Tuesday January 20th, thanks Chris

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01-29-2004 08:10 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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True Vigor CS bad condition

Chris, we have a problem. I received the heli today (thursday 29th), but there are a few problems with our deal.

The heli is not in MINT condition as you advertised it to be. Heck it is not even in flying condition. It has some problems I need to repair before I can fly it. The clutch lower bearing block, clutch bell, clutch shoe, and upper main mast bearing block are toast. Listed here are the parts it needs to be air worthy and flyable. Pictures also of the parts as I took them out of the heli. Prices are from Ricks.

JRP996009 top main mast bearing - notchy and sticky $20.36
JRP996016 clutch lower bearing block $38.21
JRP996017 clutch bell $48.36

Total for parts $ 106.93

Also you list over $100 in spare parts, the parts I received only add up to $67.05 prices marked on the parts from Heli pros. Here is a list of what you sent:

JRP996012 main mast $23.99
JRP994011 tail shaft $14.92
JRP994006 standoffs $4.99
JRP960072 x 2 gromets $5.58
JRP970080 clutch lining $2.49
JRP970171 drive inserts $12.49
JRP960573 dampers $2.79

Making a difference in the parts you sent and what you said you were selling $32.95

We agreed on a price for the complete deal as advertised on RR for $1375.00 which I sent to you that same day via paypal.

The cost of parts to repair it is $106.93
The parts you shorted me is $32.95

That gives you a total of $139.88 you owe me.

Also there are not tons of upgrades arms on this heli worth $100, the only aluminum upgrades on it are a DBC throttle extention $18.99 and a rear servo mount $24.99. Those items certainly do not add up to $100.

How would you like to handle this?

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01-29-2004 10:19 PM  13 years agoPost 7
AA8VL

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Glenn,

Are you in a name smearing contest?

You post these comments and never call me. I gave you three phone numbers the night we closed the deal. My Home, Work Cell and my personnal cell phone and have not received any calls from you. Why?

I am an honest man...and everything is in order. There is a spare clutch liner in the spare parts I sent you. The heli is in like mint condition. The bearings are not sticky. Sticky compared to what. Please.

I sold the heli to you for 1375 with the PCM receiver with crystal.
I told you I would eat the paypal fees for you of 41.25
It cost me 40.00 to UPS this to you
That means I let this Loaded Vigor go for only $1294.00 to your door.


You are complaining. You are the first complaint ever from anything I have sold.

Check my ebay feedback under ID: AA8VL

Check my website feedback from my ham radio site: http://www.ssb-audio.com/guestbook/


Nuff Said.

Also, I am not going to pay for problems that does not exist. And for your lack of proffesionalism in not calling me about your inquires first.

I am willing to refund all your money if you are not happy. However, I seriously doubt you will since their is most likely no problem. I am not going to hand free money out to you!

Glenn, I hope in the future you can act with a little bit of common courtesy to your fellow hobbiest. I usually go above and beyond to please somone. I am very sorry you are unhappy with the Vigor. I fear that you have the attitude in which no one would be able to please.

Regards,
Christian Patterson
chris@aa8vl.com
http://www.aa8vl.com
http://www.ssbaudio.com
Home: 614-861-6589
Personnal Cell: 937-241-7824
Work Cell: 614-554-8644

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01-29-2004 10:43 PM  13 years agoPost 8
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Excuses, excuses, excuses.......

The deal was for $1375 as listed in this add shipped, I paid you that day, you did not ship it for another 5 days, when you told me you would be shipping it the very next day. I was expecting it, you did not even bother to call me and let me know you had not shipped it (you have my cell # also).

Also the battery is not an 1800mah as you listed, it is a 1500mah and it is blown out on the foreward cell.

Below is what you advertised it as, but this is not what I received, and I have asked you kindly here on your add to make up the difference. You sound like you don't want to, which is a bummer. I hope people in the future that deal with you here on RR see what happened with this deal and take head.

True Vigor CS RTF in MINT condition
-Vigor CS $950
-4 9252 digital servos $320.00
-YS80 engine $265.00
-GY601 gyro w/9251 servo $380.00
-Tons of aluminum upgrade arms etc $100.00
-Futaba 8 channel PCM Slimline Receiver w/crystal $145.00
-Carbon frames, tail etc
-710 or 720 V-Blade Carbon mains and MS carbon Tail 130.00
-Two custom painted cannopies $60.00
-over $100.00 in brand new in package spare parts
-1800 MAH battery $30.00

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01-29-2004 10:56 PM  13 years agoPost 9
AA8VL

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Glenn,

I am not going to fight with you on RunRyder. If you were a man about this you would have called me. This is my last post on this thread. I am not sending you $140.00 of free money. Everything is in order.

I offered you a FULL REFUND, and you still choose to keep the heli. If you feel I have wronged you...why do you not ask for the refund.

Again you may call me and discuss this like a man...instead of childish name bashing.

PS: I see the battery damage. And you are right I quoted you at an 1800. Maybe it was a typo. I believe the battery was fine when it was shipped I will give you benifit of the dought. If you choose to keep the heli I will send you a new 1800Mah battery. If not then please send the heli back for a FULL REFUND.

I still have not received a single phone call from you.

Regards,
Christian Patterson

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01-30-2004 12:18 AM  13 years agoPost 10
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Well, there was a suspicious looking piece of green balancing tape on the end of one of the Vblades. (I have never had a set that needed balancing, they are good to 1/10th of a gram) So I peeled it back a low and behold what did I see, a smash in the leading edge of the blade. There is also a crack in the blade about 8" down farther from the tip on the underside. The more I look at this heli, the more I find it defenitely is NOT MINT CONDITION!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris,

The Vblades are useless
The battery is useless
The clutch bell is useless
The clutch lower bearing block is useless
The upper main shaft bearing block is useless

What are you going to do to make it right?

I don't want a refund, I want this deal as you promised it to be.

Here is what I would like to see happen, and this is what I believe is fair.

You reimburse me for the damaged parts via paypal
Send me the other Vblades you listed in the advertisement (720's) undamaged of course, and I will send you these back when I get them.
I will drop the lack of extra parts, the battery, and extra aluminum upgrades that are not there.

People are emailing me to confirm my action here is right.

Everybody is watching, the ball is in your court.

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01-30-2004 12:31 AM  13 years agoPost 11
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Dude,
he's offering you all your money back if your not happy, thats more than fair. Take it or leave it? I'm not justifing anything about the heli, I would be disapointed too if it wasn't as I thought it was described, but in all fairness, you should have at least given him a chance to make things right with a phone call instead of bad-mouthing him, I am suprised he is willing to do anything after your post. I have bought helis that weren't as discribed or as I thought they should be, but the deal was still very well worth it so I kept it. Thats just me, You need to decide wheather you want to send it back or not, if the offer still stands. I would really highly recomend calling him, hopefully, both of you will be able to work it out.

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01-30-2004 02:18 AM  13 years agoPost 12
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CJames,

I am just holding him to the deal we agreed upon, and what he listed it for here on RR. He is the one who stated this heli is in mint condition, (which means teriffic condition) and I am holding him to his word. If he wants to be a liar in front of everyone here, then we need to avoid him. As I posted above, I don't want to send it back, I just want him to make the deal as he promised. I don't want to call him, because I want everyone here on RR to see what he is going to do (if he is good to deal with or not, for future refrence). He has the opportunity to make this right, or to leave his credentials bad. If he makes it right, everyone will see he is a stand up guy to deal with, and we can all go home happy. If he does not make things right, everyone can see to avoid him in the future.

Chris,

After doing some further research I have found I can get the bearings from Boca Bearings for $20, and press the old ones out of the bearing blocks. The clutch bell still needs to be replaced, because where the inner rece of the bearing rides on the bell is worn away, and a new bearing only will not solve that problem. So we are looking at $20 for bearings, $48 for a clutch bell, which would be $68 total cash back to me. And then swapping out the Vblades.

What would you like to do?

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01-30-2004 11:33 AM  13 years agoPost 13
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Gforce

Stop being a little #@#@ . If you dont want to seand the heli back shut the F#@# up.

Chris is a stand up guy , I have delt with him in the pass. I tell you what, I would never deal with you gforce, you cant even call.
Why hash it out here when you can talk about it on the phone??

What are you 13 yr. old?? Thats what you sound like, you sound like a little girl.

We should stick together, not fight about stupid stuff.
Are we not brouther's?

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01-30-2004 01:59 PM  13 years agoPost 14
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Deal

Hey! I understand both points, but this was not a $200.00 deal, this was a $1,375.00 deal for a mint condition machine. In this hobby we like to keep our stuff nice and clean, we buy a lot of crap and feel proud about it. I KNOW when something in my machines or equipment is bad, otherwise we don't fly it for fear of destroying it. It is obvious this machine was not in mint condition after looking at the pictures. It just a matter of replacing the bad parts ( this is not free money, this is money due). or just return the machine and get your refund. both have their phones. I bought something here 2 weeks ago, the guy have his money I still don't have my stuff.

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01-30-2004 02:23 PM  13 years agoPost 15
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Thread Closed

Glenn,

Still not a single phone call or email from you. My offer still stands at a FULL REFUND. I am requesting you send the heli back. I do not wish to do any future business with you.

PS: There is more to this situation than what is being told by gforce. However, I am not going to play his games.


Respectfully,
Christian Patterson

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