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12-15-2003 03:03 PM  13 years agoPost 1
maller

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I posted this message in the "Beginners Forum". But, I figured I'd check here, too, for opinions.

I'm looking for a trainer (Shuttle or Evo 30).

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A few people have told me that while the Sceadu 50 is great, the 30 is underpowered. That I'd be better off getting a Shuttle or bump up to the Sceadu 50.

If I get a Shuttle to train on, will I grow out of it quickly? It may make sense (due to $$$) to get a Sceadu 30, then upgrade it later to the 50.

Thanks!

Any comments or thoughts?

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12-15-2003 03:08 PM  13 years agoPost 2
z11355

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there is someone on here that is selling
all the parts required to 'downgrade'
to a 30.

So, get an Evo50 and that, put the 30
in to start and your done

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12-15-2003 03:15 PM  13 years agoPost 3
maller

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Thanks.

Ideally, I'd get the 50. But, I'm trying to keep the cost reasonable. That's why I decided on a 30. The Shuttle's cheaper, but the Evo 30 can be upgraded. I'm just concerned that the Evo 30 will have limitations. In the "Beginners" forum, I'm getting mixed opinions.

But, I'm leaning toward the Evo 30, with the intention of upgrading it to a 50 later on.

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12-15-2003 03:18 PM  13 years agoPost 4
z11355

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all I'm saying is that if you do that,
you'll miss out on other things a stock
Evo50 willl have that a converted 30->50 will have.

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12-15-2003 03:19 PM  13 years agoPost 5
maller

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Hmmm.

If I get the kit to convert a 30 to a 50, I was under the impression that it would be COMPLETELY the same as the 50, no? I thought I'd just need the kit, blades, and engine to make it the same.

What else would be different? Thanks.

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12-15-2003 04:19 PM  13 years agoPost 6
jed

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maller,
I went thru the same decision process a few month's ago and gave in and asked Jeff Green... If your not sure who Jeff Is. In One word he is "AWESOME" Jeff is a HIROBO GOD..
I will Quote Him from my E-Mail-- Jeff If You read This I hope You Don't Mind but it was well said..Thanks

"The Sceadu 30 would be a stable platform to learn on and can grow with your progress or be left as it is. There really are no upgrades to add to the helis airframe. True, the fifty would be a rocket ship and more suited for 3D however, the thirty still does nice loops and rolls and nice piro flips. Just need to manage the collective better. It will fly like the 50 but do things a little slower and not respond to really hard stick banging without bogging the motor.

To upgrade it to a fifty, you would need the 0412160 conversion set plus any other 50 specific parts you may want."

maller- I hope this help's.

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12-15-2003 04:24 PM  13 years agoPost 7
maller

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That does, Jed. Thanks for your reply here, and to my other post in the "Beginners" forum.

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12-16-2003 02:13 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Roger Hamilton

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I needed a 'little' heli for new manouvre practice and got the sceadu 30.
I used an Irvine 39 with both a hatori 350 tuned pipe and a 30 muscle pipe and had to fit longer (NHP 58) blades to keep it from overspeeding.

Most people think its a 50 when they see it fly. I can assure you its not underpowered and would be eminently suitable as a first machine, and when you're ready it'll quite happily deal with pie dishes, piro flips etc. Mine will roll constantly with no loss of head speed on coolpower 15%.

The 50 will obviously allow more aggressive manouvres, save your money for fuel, a good sim and some crash parts

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12-16-2003 02:35 PM  13 years agoPost 9
maller

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Evo 30 conversion?

Thanks, everyone. Sounds like the Evo 30 is the way to go. One final question, about upgrading to the Evo 50. If I do the upgrade, with the kit, will it be IDENTICAL to an Evo 50, or does the Evo 50 have other differences from the 30?

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12-16-2003 02:41 PM  13 years agoPost 10
z11355

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I'm looking at the manual for the Evo
right now. The manual is applicable
to both the 30 and 50.

The real 50 includes pushpull X levers
on the cyclics and collective whereas
the 30 doesn't.

I dont have the information in front of me
right now (calling SuperJeff!) but I believe
there are 1 or 2 specific part numbers you
can get that add those last little 30->50
parts (besides the engine mount/flywheel/pinion kit)

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12-16-2003 02:53 PM  13 years agoPost 11
maller

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Thanks, z11355. I thought it would be the same. I wrote that question in response to your earlier post. It seemed like you were implying that there were other big differences between the two.

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12-16-2003 03:05 PM  13 years agoPost 12
z11355

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no, diff's are pretty minor.

dunno if the size of the fuel tank is the
same though also. I think it is 480cc
which is big (30cc = 1 oz) so it's alot
of extra weight for a 30 engine to
haul.

Oh, I'm pretty sure the pushpull linkage
parts are 412220 and 412223 which
retails for around $15 each (one is
all the arms and the other is all the rods/ends). Might need some ball bearings in there too.

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12-16-2003 03:31 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Scooterpilot

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Evo .30

Hi,

I recently purchased an .30 Evo to learn to night fly with.

Initally, I used an OS 32 with a CP II. The OS is very, very easy to tune and highly recommended if you're new to this hobby. The CP II does make the OS 32 a little more lively, but I still wasn't happy with the performance.

So, after doing some research I decided to try a TT.39. This motor tests all your patience while your tuning it; however, once you finally get the motor dialed in, there is a fantastic improvement over the power that the OS 32 has. The CP II with a TT. 39 run with 30 % CP is a very good combo.

The Evo .30 does all the 3D that you want it too. The only difference is you have to use collective management while you execute a manuever.

BTW, z11355 has a great idea, buy a EVO 50 then purchase a motor mount, pinon gear and main gear for the .30 That's a much cheaper way to end up with a .50 in the long run and yet be able to learn with a .30 size motor
Regards,

Team Thunder Tiger, Team Futaba, Two G-4's, Two X50's YS60SR,Tx12Z/14FG,YSRep,RailBlades/S

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12-17-2003 03:44 PM  13 years agoPost 14
DCORSAIR

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Sceadu 30

Hey Maller,
I would go for the Sceadu 30 and then upgrade later if you want. I've had all brands of heli's and the Sceadu is my favorite so far. Yes, it is a little underpowered but with a TT.39 it's not bad, it does everthing I want it to do. Try the Sceadu and you will like it. Email me if you want more info.

Darryl..........

D. Lee.....t.Born again.t.....

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12-20-2003 01:25 PM  13 years agoPost 15
maller

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Thanks! I appreciate it.

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12-21-2003 02:43 PM  13 years agoPost 16
maller

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Evo 50 to train on?

Can I learn on and Evo 50, or is that too much?

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12-21-2003 02:44 PM  13 years agoPost 17
mrNoodles

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Sure you can! Shouldnt be a problem at all!

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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12-21-2003 02:52 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Scooterpilot

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Evo 50

You shouldn't have any problems at all learning with an Evo .50

Great model

Regards

Team Thunder Tiger, Team Futaba, Two G-4's, Two X50's YS60SR,Tx12Z/14FG,YSRep,RailBlades/S

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12-21-2003 03:21 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Steve Campbell

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maller, I am assuming that this is your first helicopter?

I'm working with a newbie right now who has an EVO 30 with an OS 32 SX-H. It is most definitely NOT underpowered when used as an initial trainer. I am quite impressed with this machine, and in fact plan to get an EVO 50 soon.

Now, as to which one (30 or 50) to get? Let's look at the situation.

One common refrain in all these "what to get" threads goes something like this...

"Get the 50, dude. It ROX!!!!! You'll love the power!!!"

Well, in the first place, as a raw beginner, you cannot USE that extra power. In the second place, the OS 50 SX (which is the usual recommended engine) is a gas hog and has sporadic bearing problems.

But here's the real kicker; very few, if any, of these power freaks EVER say anything about better servos. The 50 ships can approach a 60 in terms of force needed by the servos. So, those "standard" servos that came in your radio, while fine for hovering and learning basic FF/aerobatics, may or may not hold up to any thrashing you may eventually want to do.

Here's my recommendation:

1. If money is no concern and you don't mind using a LOT more fuel, get the 50 and a suitable engine (mine will have an OS 46 with Shadel AAC piston & liner; the 50 SX is a good engine, but I might as well fly one of my 60s if I'm going to burn that much fuel).

2. If the budget is a bit tighter, get the 50 kit and the "downgrade" parts for the 30 (engine mount and clutch pinion). This will allow you to use a less expensive engine, both in initial acqusition and then operating costs.

3. If the budget is very tight, get the $299 EVO 30 special from HeliProz. You get usable blades and muffler, so all you need is an engine and electronics. And you can upgrade that airframe to your heart's content, as skill and funds develop.

From what I have seen, the Sceadu EVO, either version, is about the best plastic ship out there. I recently made a huge mistake by changing my mind at the last minute after I had decided to get an EVO 30 for a trainer for my grandson, and buying an "economy special". I knew better, and did it anyway.

Don't even THINK about a Shuttle. It was a good ship in its day, but the molds are getting tired, for one thing. Some critical parts (like bellcranks, etc) need serious tweaking- and in some cases, whittling on- for a smooth fit. For another, the entry-level Shuttles have that miserable through-the-belt tail rotor pitch change mechanism.

The Sceado EVO is leagues above all of that, for not much more money.

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12-21-2003 03:39 PM  13 years agoPost 20
maller

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Thanks, Steve. That's great Help. Yes, this is my first heli. So, I'm trying to decide what to get.

One other question - what's the difference between your options 2 and 3? If I get a 50 and downgrade it to a 30, I'm spending more up front (the cost of the 50 and the downgrade kit), and at some point, I upgrade it back to the 50.

If I get the 30 (it's less expensive), and I can still upgrade it to the 50.

The end result is the same, right? A comparable Evo 50?

It seems better to get the 30 and upgrade from there?

Am I missing something?

Thanks!

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