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12-16-2003 01:15 AM  13 years agoPost 121
z11355

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12-16-2003 01:19 AM  13 years agoPost 122
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M&M

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE

GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY

GO BACK TO THE RAT HOLE YOU CAME OUT OF AND FLY HELIS
WE DON'T NEED YOUR KIND IN THE USA>

I AM US BORN AND YES FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR SOLDERS KILLED IS WORTH 1000 OF THE OTHERS.

OUR SOLDERS DON'T LIKE BEING IN THAT SAND PIT

NUKE THEM ALL TURN IT INTO GLASS SO ALLAH CAN LOOK AT HIMSELF.

I'M SURE I DIDN'T SPELL ALLIES NAME RIGHT.

""BUT WHO CARES""


OH M&M

I’M SORRY I DIDN’T MEAN TO GET YOUR WIFE AND YOUR CAMEL MIXED UP.

But to you I’m sure it all looks the same.

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12-16-2003 01:26 AM  13 years agoPost 123
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12-16-2003 01:35 AM  13 years agoPost 124
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Who gives a flying F about the UN. Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.

Kofi Anan and all those left leaning pricks can blow it out of their ass!!..

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12-16-2003 01:37 AM  13 years agoPost 125
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Wow, Augiep38, tell us how you really feel...

I agree, we ought to tell the UN to hit the road.


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12-16-2003 01:40 AM  13 years agoPost 126
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M&M can start blowing with them.

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12-16-2003 01:42 AM  13 years agoPost 127
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From what he posted here, I don't think m&m could find his a**hole with a funnel.


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12-16-2003 01:55 AM  13 years agoPost 128
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you crack me up

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12-16-2003 02:44 AM  13 years agoPost 129
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12-16-2003 03:09 AM  13 years agoPost 130
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Not good for sure...but it is a small percentage of the bodycount Sadam has created, in the hundreds of thousands, possibly a million of his own people, or do those people not count?

I suppose they were better off before we interfered.? I think NOT.

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12-16-2003 03:15 AM  13 years agoPost 131
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In your heart of hearts , do you really think that the reason for the Iraqi war was the liberation of millions of oppressed Iraqis ?

Honest answers please.

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12-16-2003 03:21 AM  13 years agoPost 132
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m&m

I don't agree with the Iraq war either ... not because the reasons you state but because there's no real & tangible reason for it ... or as spaceman said, because the way it was sold.

With the above in mind, its nothing but mathematical certainty Iraq will be a better place to live in 20 years from now. Sure, iraquis and the middle easterns hate americans but that shall pass. The worst is they don't even realize history is being written before them. And in the years to come, it will become more evident how this war helped them as a society and most important of all, as human beings. I Can't remember who stated it, but these guys have no respect for life what so ever ... if they're not in war with iran or some neighboring country they kill themselves as part of recreational activity.

As for the dead civilians .... im sorry to say most of them where dead since they where born; they have no expectancies in life; they have nothing to look forward to and even worst, they know any little misshap or comment can end up putting them in one of those massive graves without a name-tag.

I can't even imagine what being a woman must be in iraq (or for the case in most of the middle east countries) ... it must really s---k.

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12-16-2003 03:37 AM  13 years agoPost 133
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I was pissed to read that the new Iraqi army is only being paid 60$ a month. These people are risking their lives and are the most important part of actually succeding in getting the country in a position of stability, yet we let half of them go away because they can't feed their families.

How stupid! Kill thousands, and spend billions to take control of a country, then risk lossing control and all credability for lack of a few lousy bucks!

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12-16-2003 05:26 AM  13 years agoPost 134
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Newdaddy,

That's what happens when the opposition hides in the population.

That's what happens when the opposition used the civilians in Iraq, from the word go, has human shields. There's no other word for it when you place your troops, heavy weapons, and operations centers in the heart of the populations.

That's what happens when the terrorists that have now entered Iraq set off car bombs in the streets.

That's what happened in every war, everywhere one has raged.

It is sad, but it is what happens. Isn't it ironic how many people are complaining about the death count, when the civilian deaths have become a result of the car bombs, terrorist strikes, and hunt for those terrorists that are occuring now. It's rediculus that in some peoples eyes the millions of deaths that Saddam is responsable for pales in comparison to the several thousand that have died. Especially, when those several thousand have died in the course of a change for the better, the people ruling themselves and living without the fear of being singled out by Saddam!


pistole,

The war was about getting a man and his government out of power. Some argue that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism. It is well known that Saddam has payed money to those families as a reward for suicide bombing. In my opinion, the most important piece of evidence about Saddams' involvement in terrorist activities is a fuselage of an air-liner that was used for training hi-jackers. We got the fuselage and his recorded tapes! If this was more about taking over a country we wouldn't have taken such care in the stikes that we did during the war. Civilians' walefare came first, to the best of our abilities! If we didn't care we would have used bombs that wipe out everything living and leave as many structures standing as possible. It's that simple. When the towers fell in New York, it is safe to say that the rest of the world trembled, not just because of the sickening event, but because they had no idea of what our responce was going to be! A Ranger friend of mine said it best, " the majority of this world should thank whatever God they prey to, because if we would have responded like A "Hitler" would have, this whole planet would be called America." But in America we value life and are saddened when people have to die in these conflicts. But, those who value freedom understand there is a cost and it is high. They also understand that as long as people like Saddam are allowed to continue to inflict pain and suffering on their own people and anybody they can reach then freedom is always under attack. The entire history of the human race has been a battle over free-will. This is no different except for free-will has only recently started to win out given how long the human race has been around. What is so wrong about giving freedom to those who don't have it!

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12-16-2003 07:38 AM  13 years agoPost 135
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Quote :-

"The war was about getting a man and his government out of power."


- Hi.

- I believe that that is where the water becomes very murky. The jury is still out as to whether waging war is a legitimate means of dethroning the ruling government of a sovereign nation.

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12-16-2003 12:05 PM  13 years agoPost 136
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Spaceman,
...yet we let half of them go away because they can't feed their families.
Not true. They walked because they found out that cops are getting $120/mnth. All they see is the dollar amount and not the whole picture.

Soldier - $60/mnth + medical + housing + food + clothing

Police officer - $120/mnth

Unfortunately the uneducated cannot see this difference.

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12-16-2003 01:02 PM  13 years agoPost 137
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How dedicated would you be for 4$ a day?

I love my job, motivated, loyal to my company. The main reasons: 1, i am well paid, 2, i actually own part of my company. I have something worth protecting. Give them something worth protecting and many of them will.

The new government will need to be protected. They will be even more dependent on their military to protect their freedom than we are for ours. That is worth something. I hear Sadam was making tons of cash off of oil sales, and aparently paying next to nothing to the people, are we doing the same?

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12-16-2003 01:47 PM  13 years agoPost 138
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How dedicated would you be for 4$ a day?
I suppose that would depend on what $4/day is worth by comparison to median wage wouldn't it? If the median wage is $1/day then it's pretty good. If you compare it to the $0/per day the 60% that are unemployed make it looks even better.
Give them something worth protecting and many of them will
Would you agree a country without torture chambers and unrelenting oppression is worth protecting?

Remember that before Saddam, Baghdad was one of the richest capital cities in the middle east. Maybe now that he's gone it can return to that.

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12-16-2003 02:20 PM  13 years agoPost 139
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Good point, but with some people still having pro Sadam ralies even today, and the exodus from army, i have to wonder if enough of the people see clearly enough to recognize that they have somthing to fight for, and that they risk loosing it buy not taking a stand.

Glad to hear Bagdad was once a thriving place, hope it will be again.

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12-16-2003 02:48 PM  13 years agoPost 140
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It just occured to me that the unemployment rate has been in the 60% range for many years. Iraq has been kind of a welfare state for a long time, with people becoming dependent on the state. Maybe so many of them have become so accustomed to doing nothing and risking nothing and having thier needs met, that the thought of risking life and working hard for about the same thing, is not somthing even considered?

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