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HelicopterRadio - Futaba FASST › 18MZ or 14SG to replace 12FGH
06-07-2014 08:12 PM  3 years agoPost 1
NoLuckChuck

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I know they are at entirely different price points, but I am considering replacing my 12FGH and understand these are the only two transmitters that operate on all Futaba protocols. I am not deterred by the price of the 18MZ, but would like to know what I gain and what is projected for future comparability with future protocols? Does the 18MZ integrate FBL better? I also think it would be cool to listen to music thru headphones and use the vibrating alarm. I do not want it to be obsolete in a couple years. Please, no offense to any SG owners, but I do not seem to be impressed with the build quality of the SG transmitter; I have never seen one in person. Is the build quality of the SG transmitter at least the equivalent of the 12FGH? I am actually very satisfied with my FGH, but think I may be experiencing some issues with the PCM stream; my Spectrum module and Heli-max module no longer seem to function. I use my JR9503X for Spektrum - I really like it's build quality. I also like the gimbals on both my radios.

Thanks all, enjoy the weekend, the hobby, and most importantly your families and friends.

Will

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06-07-2014 10:15 PM  3 years agoPost 2
Dr.Ben

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Both radios integrate fbl equally well. The stick quality (quad BB) of the 18 is superior to the 14, and you can tell the difference. The 18's interface uses the big screen which for some is much easier because so much info is all on the same screen. I would be one of those people. The 18 will easily see a 6+ year or more active service life in your hands. The 14 is a fine radio, but it is not an 18. If you want the best, the I think you already answered your own question.

Ben Minor

Peak Aircraft/Team Minicopter Team Futaba Team Kontronik USA

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06-08-2014 05:24 AM  3 years agoPost 3
unclejane

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I'm a Futaba fan so I like them all, but my favorite is my 14SG. I only got it a few months ago, mainly because they quit making the 8FGS (my other two radios are 8FGS's) and I wanted to start getting into telemetry.

The 14SG has no build quality issues that I can see, in fact it's even a bit better than my already very good 8FGSs. It's a bit heavier, is a little more ergonomic in its switch and stick positioning and the screen is bigger and easier to read. Also inexplicably uses a 6V batt instead of the 7.4V batts in my 8FGSs (maybe for size reasons), but seems to run absolutely forever on it.

Its just like any Futaba, really, you just turn it on, go fly and forget about it because it's so reliable.

I fly FBL helis and multirotors exclusively these days, so I don't need very complicated software in the rig itself - so something like the 14SG is as high as I need to go.

But the 18MZ, well, I'd still love to have one. As a museum piece or collector's item, almost...

LS

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06-08-2014 07:26 AM  3 years agoPost 4
RogerRabbit62

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I have several Radios, and use the 18MZ most times.

It is a phantastic Radio and the gimbal Feeling is very very good.

The 14SG i have flown from a Club Buddy and it is good also, but the 18MZ feels a Little better, more solid and the gimbals are a notch better.

What i like most is the big letters on the Screen for telemetry as i am in a Age where i Need reading glasses otherwise.

That was the killer Argument for buying it (beside that i liked it best from the Feeling.

Downpoints?

It does not have a "Retina Display" like the iPad so in extremly strong sunlight you might have to turn around or shield a Little with your Hand, but do not get this as "it is not readable" but a apple type of Display could improve a Little more.

The Aluminium protection case has two minor flaws.

The foam is not resistent against oil and nitromethane like it used to be at the FC28 times (too few People flying nitro?) so you have to wipe the T18 clear from rests of exaust fumes otherwise the foam gets friable.
The outside of that case is mesh printet, and the Color (which is stylish) is not as hard sticking to the Aluminium as on the older Futaba cases.
So it is prone to scratches.

I used the T18MZ now for countless hours (some hundred) of flighttime and the only things which failed where

- the antenna plastic part (i broke it by not beeing careful) which was replaced without cost,
- The decoration screw which holds the lower right Switch fell off, i did not find it in the grass again (they did sent some without Charge too)
- the foam - it was replaced twice without cost

So i can recommend that TX if you are willing to spend that Money.

From the programming it is a lot easier as the 14SG as you have the big Touchscreen.
And the flight phases and Mixers are a lot more and a lot more flexible.

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06-08-2014 01:48 PM  3 years agoPost 5
NoLuckChuck

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Leesville, LA

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18MZ lifespan
Great comments. Thank you all. When do you think we will see an 18MZ replacement? I'd hate to pull the trigger just before the successor is introduced. What do you think of JR's upcoming flagship; only $2600?

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06-09-2014 05:53 PM  3 years agoPost 6
ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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I sold my 12FGH (which I DEARLY loved) to get the new 14SG. Am really impressed with it, and do not regret my decision one bit. It does everything I need it to do. As a bonus, the vibration alarm is a very welcome feature. The battery life in the 14SG is VERY good, unlike anything I have experienced before.

I could not bring myself to spend the additional money for the 18MZ, as I, being a sport flyer, probably would not benefit from all the features the 18MZ offers.

The gimbals of the 14SG work very well, are adjustable enough and the TX fits my hands very comfortably. The ergonomics of the 14SG just "work" for me and that is just as important, if not more so, to me than feature set.

If you like to tinker with mixes and curves and settings and nearly unlimited customizing, absolutely get the 18MZ. I'm a "set it and forget it" kind a guy and the 14SG fits my needs PERFECTLY.

Steve

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06-09-2014 09:06 PM  3 years agoPost 7
FireNWater

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Collierville, TN

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If you want chicks to dig you, get the 18MZ. FO-Shizzle.

Buy Cheap, Buy Twice . . .

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06-10-2014 03:45 PM  3 years agoPost 8
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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It's really a simple question. Can you easily afford the 18MZ? It is Futaba's flagship model. It has more features (most of which you may not use, but you could if desired) and better build quality than the 14SG. However, if spending and additional $2,100 is not something you can do without feeling financial pain, then just get the 14SG. It is a great radio.

I have always been the type who buys the best when I can afford it. I have the 18MZ. I also have a Futaba 12Z as well as a Spektrum DX8. They all will do the job. The 18MZ will simply do it just a tad better.

You will have a sense of comfort knowing that you have the best TX money can buy if you get the 18MZ. I look at buying a TX as a long term investment in my hobby equipment. As Ben mentioned it will be at least 6 years before you will see a new Futaba flagship TX. Therefore, the TX will cost you $450/year ($2,700/6years). For me, that's not too much a price to pay considering the cost of all my other RC equipment. Heck, my Mikado Xxtreme 700 cost more than the 18MZ and I guaranty it won't last as long.

Regarding the JR 28X, It looks to be a very good TX. However, it is JR, a relatively small company. I just don't know if you will get the same third party support for JR radio products as you will with Futaba, particularly now that JR doesn't share radio protocol with Spektrum. The 28X will also not be available until the end of summer or in the fall.

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06-10-2014 06:57 PM  3 years agoPost 9
Four Stroker

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Atlanta

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The Robbe FX22 was the prototype for the SG14. The Robbe FX32, on sale for about a year, is the obvious prototype for the 12FG FASSTest. Where the hell is it ?

http://www.robbe.de/fx-32-r7008-2-4-ghz-fasstest.html

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