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02-24-2014 12:55 AM  3 years agoPost 1
kyminer

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I hate to be a bother again!!!! but I was wondering the difference between a regular flybarless and a dfc like the pros and cons of each I am just hovering around and beginning forward flight so I don't do any hard core 3d so would dfc be to much (touchy) for me ?? I have been looking at a heli that is dfc id why im asking and I am also looking at one that is flybared that I thinking of buying and converting

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02-24-2014 05:00 AM  3 years agoPost 2
AWittleWabbit

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I can only comment about this at the 450 size.

Pros for dfc

Cheaper

Much stiffer damping for stick banging.

Arguably, more durable. Especially with spindle from 450L.

Cons

Harder to tune around esp with beastx (maybe fixed in firmware by now?).

Online stigma

Pros for older Align fbl head

Easier to tune around.

Softer damping for beginners or sport flying.

Cons

Harder to find parts.

Costs more.

More fragile because of ball with long standoff on blade grips.

Feels soft in the air, esp., hard stops or going full tilt

YMMV on the bigger Align birds.

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02-24-2014 05:19 AM  3 years agoPost 3
FRANK R

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Why bother buying a Flybared Heli only to convert it to FBL in no time???? Get yourself a FBL whether it's a DFC or Conventional FBL head sometimes called Rigid head.

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02-24-2014 07:01 AM  3 years agoPost 4
chickens2252

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As far as too touchy. No your FBL controller will have more to do with "touchy" than the head. You can get pretty much get any feel you want out of the FBL units(within reason).

So buy the one you think you will want later.IMO

Tighten it tell it loosens then back it off a quarter

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02-26-2014 01:45 AM  3 years agoPost 5
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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go dfc you wont be sorry

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02-26-2014 02:38 AM  3 years agoPost 6
kyminer

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flybarless head

I WILL BE USING A BEASTX FLYBARLESS CONTROLLER IF THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE
ABOUT EVERYONE HAS GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT BEAST X FROM WHAT I READ OR ARE THEY A BAD SETUP ??

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02-26-2014 03:38 AM  3 years agoPost 7
BradNewman

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The beastx is a great controller, maybe not the best, but definitely a good one. As far as the head goes, at this stage in the game you probly won't be able to tell the difference, so just get the one you like the look of.
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02-26-2014 03:39 AM  3 years agoPost 8
dkshema

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DFC, non-DFC. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. DFC is just a bit more simple with a few less parts, and you get the CG of the heli in a different place.

One is not more touchy or tame than the other.

Choice of FBL controller not a huge differentiator, it all boils down to how you set it up per your preferences.

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02-26-2014 03:57 AM  3 years agoPost 9
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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the only thing i dis like about the beastx is
has no bank switching
and no software programming like the vbar and ikon gyros

and it can be sensitive to vibration

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02-26-2014 04:07 AM  3 years agoPost 10
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ONE WORD ( FLAPDAMPING )

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02-26-2014 04:13 AM  3 years agoPost 11
dkshema

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Flapdamping? Doesn't that usually involve a fiddle or a banjo?

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02-26-2014 04:25 AM  3 years agoPost 12
Santiago P

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Pros and Cons

Edited

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02-26-2014 04:31 AM  3 years agoPost 13
Santiago P

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Flapdamping? Doesn't that usually involve a fiddle or a banjo?
more than that:

" Flapdamping? "

Wikipedia: a special move performed by an RC heli much like in "Riverdance" AKA Lord of the flapping
Also known as Flapppingdancing

Here the step called "the broken flap" is demonstrated

LOL

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02-26-2014 04:52 AM  3 years agoPost 14
AWittleWabbit

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How did we get from,....ah never mind!

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02-26-2014 05:01 AM  3 years agoPost 15
dkshema

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Not necessarily a detailed post in that link for pros and cons, but it did make an attempt to paint DFC as something to be avoided at all cost based on suggestive inferences and innuendo. By now there must be tens of thousands DFC equipped machines out there and the sky is not raining dead helis.

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02-26-2014 07:29 AM  3 years agoPost 16
Santiago P

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Not necessarily a detailed post in that link for pros and cons
You are right, Edited out.

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02-26-2014 07:33 AM  3 years agoPost 17
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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dkshema
Not necessarily a detailed post in that link for pros and cons, but it did make an attempt to paint DFC as something to be avoided at all cost based on suggestive inferences and innuendo. By now there must be tens of thousands DFC equipped machines out there and the sky is not raining dead helis.
true 2 of the pilots he asked why do you think they dont fly dfc
well one is a sponsored logo pilot and the other a sponsored raptor pilot i didn't check on the rest so some of his facts are incorrect

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02-26-2014 05:54 PM  3 years agoPost 18
Simmer

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OK DFC is a Align thing, but the Goblin also had a "more ridged" setup initially, then they moved back to the conventional flybarless. It can be problematic if your really thrashing your heli. Its a lot of strain on a part that is designed to limit movement. Helis falling out of the skys.. no but,DFC does have some issues you should be aware of. Its controversial because there were issues with it being too ridged, causing a fatigue failure. Resolved now or not, the tightness of this setup could be critical depending on your flight envelope. Most flyers will have no issues but the top 3D flyers know what can happen and perform their setup pretty meticulously as a result.

And really, I don't think the advantage is anything spectacular. Slight improvements in some areas, sure, Ill give you that.
for 85% of the flyers, probably never see an issue. But do check out the other threads in the forum that discuss this head and the lets say "potential" faults with it. (I am being generous in that statement I think)

whatever flybarless setup you do go to, the head geometry is going to improve or deter from the flight characteristics. the closer you are to the perfect geometry, the better the flybarless controller will perform.

By the way, I have beastx and Icon. The pricing is about the same, and the ikon is newer and may have benefits you would prefer over the beastX. Do study them both before you spend. I now prefer the Ikon, but after all is said and done, (setup) they both fly beautifully and you cant tell which is which, (except yes the bank switching allows you to try different settings in the air to see which you prefer and that is pretty handy.

You don't have to by the Align head. There are a few after market heads you could use. The DFC is however pretty geometrically correct for any Align.

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02-27-2014 12:09 AM  3 years agoPost 19
Flys4Fun

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Dfc sucks. Crashes bend up more parts in the 'simpler' head and also shocks yours servos more. I had a 450 and went from a swash follower to dfc and was stripping servos out on even minor things, cant even imagine having a large heli with hundreds of dollars in servos to abuse with dfc. Align likes dfc 'design flaw central' cause they can sell you more parts and servos as parts either break more often with mishaps and wear out faster.

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02-27-2014 12:14 AM  3 years agoPost 20
dkshema

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Darn, I flew my converted 500 DFC all summer, didn't cost me any thing, other than electricity to keep the batteries charged. My 450 DFC, same way.

It's not uncommon to have to replace parts in your heli after a crash. I think that's what crashes are designed to do. Make you spend money.

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